Mafia 66: Farmers versus the Railroad - the play

[Coler]

Coler, how do you feel about Annie and Wiz? Are they scummy? They seem to want to be BFFs with you. I could see the two of them framing you. What really gets me about Annie is how drastically his play changed from Day 1 (non-existant) to Day 2 (self declared defender of all that is good in ACville). I could see voting for Annie instead of Coler.

A little part of me is very worried we're going to have what happened last game happen all over again...

I have given my take on the game as to who are most likely to be scum in my view. My skin crawls a bit when people cosy up and tell me I'm right/an innocent.

With that said I spent the start of this day putting out my thoughts as clearly as I can, of late I am pretty much defending myself. They didn't make my list in my explanation of how I saw the game earlier. I havn't seen a good case made out against either yet, although Noodles voting the Wizard does not look exactly brilliant for him.

 

[Coler]

My main issue is that my favourite candidates at the moment Lab Rat, are yourself and Dag although I tend to lean it towards Dag because I am reasonably sure you at least started innocent, and you being the turn is slightly hunchy.

Annie/Wiz don't excite me to the same extent at this point.

 

[Lab_Rat]

So Annies sudden behavior change doesn't strike you as odd then?

 

[Fishfriend1]

Well, im bummed out...


My fish tank, the 40 gal tall, is now 5 fish fewer.:cry: My sister had a betta and she put it in there because her tank was to toxic (yea i know, toxic?!) and she didnt want to clean it:wall:. Well, turns out that on top of a horrible attitude toward other fish that are bigger then it, he had some kind of parasite/disease/issue:angryfire: and got 8 of my fish sick, including my 4 prized long fin black skirt tetras (BST) and i didnt even notice until one of the tetras and the betta died. And then when i was moving the fish out of the tank to do a 95% water change my cat tipped over the bowel that they were in. I scoped them up and put them in the "dump buket" which i had forgotten was used to clean the floor :22_yikes: and lost 3 more fish (2 black mollies and 1 female guppy) b4 i remembered. As of right now all the surviving fish are in the 40 gal tall with meds and a close watch over them by all of the following: Me, my vid camera, my cat (she never learns) and my 4 common goldies and the black moor. Sorry about the story, but i just had to tell you guys its just so unbelievable. Stupid cat.

Back to the game. I think that the people most likley to be lynched tonight are- hey i hear an icecream truck!- sorry i left the computer for a min and my little brother Johnathin came over and typed that, ima keep it so u guys know lol. The people most likley to be lynched are lab, coler, and annie.

Im not saying i vote for them or that they are scum, just that they appear to be in the most danger.

 

[Coler]

I said I would look at Dag.

Here is D1 and the first couple of post D2. I possibly skipped a nonsense/meaningless post or 2.

woot game on ( . )( . )!! the whole early post / vote thing is almost semi interesting but I'm not sure if there is anything to really gain from it. The only post that semi interested me was


Obviously if Kashta knew that noods was evil would be for the reason that they are both evil. However if they were both evil would it stand to reason that kashta wouldn't have brought up the whole matter and just let it pass unless someone else took notice of it? However if noods really did slip in my mind it seems to reason that Coler's horrible defense was a slip up also. It really is early in the game to have solid reasoning to vote for someone but there is always solid reasoning for defending another person and that is you are on the same team as that person.

The Lack of FF posts is quite amazing. Usually he has 17 posts at this point in the game and another 3 saying how great he is for posting so much. After last game perhaps he is going for a new strategy of actually shutting his mouth till he has some input that doesn't scream scum (funny thing is even when he's innocent or a good guy the posts scream scum )?

Side note the orlando international airport while it's nice they have free internet they might have the most uncomfortable chairs known to man. On a good day the padding for the chairs might be 1/8 inch thick.

The bit I bolded has been quoted a good bit. Anyone thinks I as scum made that 'slip up' referred to knowing Noodles was scum and a team mate and defending her in other words, needs to think again.

If lab rat isn't even willing to give any merit to the other possibilities why would she have even brought them up? I think it is everyone's nature to go with what they feel is the most likely scenario but it doesn't mean that they don't give the others any merit. The fact that she mentions other possibilities means she has given them some merit.

FF hasn't been posting a flurry of nonsense but he did have one big slip up :

I would say it's pretty obvious that FF is on a communicating team. I would have no problem voting for him to get him lynched. Even if he turns out to be an innocent we could look at who was voting with him when he posted that and start to get an idea of who is most likely innocent.



Does this make sense to anyone? After FF's slip up he tries to cover it saying he wants to hear theories instead of instructions. FF has shown in previous games that when he talks he gets himself in trouble. If he were ever to be on team with me the very first thing I would say to him is DON"T SPEAK!!!!! After hearing the theories presented FF is saying that he is seeing logic that dawg is busting out and that he is beginning to think that Kash / Lab / Nood are innocent.

Two lines later FF is now saying that Kash has defended herself too much and that makes her scum so FF will be keeping the vote on her... Does that make sense? So if I understand that correctly kash is looking innocent but she has defended herself so she must be scum? Things like that makes me feel that you are railroader FF.

I vote to lynch FF!

I primarily note the comment on Lab Rat, bolded by me above.

I also think that if FF is innocent he/she/it is a seriously good target for a bit of early needle from the scum team.

I don't get how FF is confused. I was under the impression that he was the confusing everyone else. If he's able to do that shouldn't he be able to at least pick out someone he thinks scum?

I for one think that FF is scum. His play style has varied too much this game. When he wasn't posting people got suspicious. I'm thinking that has to do with his teammates telling him to not say much. Once people picked up that he reversed and is back to non sense confusing people up posting. Not to mention that he has slipped the whole "tell me if i need to change my vote post" and he has been contradicting himself every other post and sometimes in the same post.

FF Again.

One thing is certain. I will never understand your logic!


umm


that seems rather defensive to me

FF Again. He then say that my voting for Kashta is defensive.

anyone have any idea what current vote count is looking like? thanks

Pretty much a nothing/lazy post.

I retract my vote on FF and I vote to lynch Coler.

Coler seems scummier then kashta at this point in the game.

Just noting the vote.

well that sucks. so how does lab rat's theory #5 look now?

First post on D2

This next post is very important :

I have been going over what has happened since scum got kashta lynched. Lab rat has made sense to me since the very beginning. She has never changed her position. She though Kashta was IW and that noods was scum. She was right!!! What I am really not understanding is why did Wiz start blaming lab rat for calling the situation like it really was? He is going hardcore after lab rat for being correct, it really doesn't make any sense to me. The only thing I can think of is that Wiz was the person who got turned.

I would say the best plan would be to take out coler now. There is nothing that can be learned from Noods by the voting of / against. Coler had come under scrutiny in the very beginning when he defended Noods like 3 secs into the game (well partially pregame...) and then the voting for kashta last night?! if that wasn't a preplanned play I don't know what is. If I had to guess the evil team i would say:

Noods
Coler
FF
Wiz - got turned last night

I'm not sure if there would have been more then 3 to start with since they have the ability to convert more people and starting with 4 or 5 could make for very quick game with tiny bit of luck of hits / lynches. If there were 4 to start out with I think Jpap is in need of a plastic glove examination.

So immediately Dag does not want to vote for Noods as per the bit in bold above despite the fact that she is essentially known scum right now. For all I got wrongly noted for defending Noodles...this is what you might call Defending Noodles.

I think Dag did not do a whole lot on D1, but then I would not especially hammer anyone for that, so no biggy there. The attack on FF is a little scummy in my view - he/she/it did nothing much to attract attention that I could see (I gather theres a past experience with them of some eh unpredictability/wierdness or something).

More important is the very quick campaign on the morning of D2 not to vote for Noodles.

I will hopefully get a chance to go through D2 but the above is important enough to warrant being highlighted.

 

[Coler]

So Annies sudden behavior change doesn't strike you as odd then?

I think I answered the question. I'm looking elsewhere at present. They strike me as fairly odd generally and not engaged at all D1 which makes it harder to assess a sudden behaviour change. If anything, a good turn candidate would be :

- someone who won't have to change from what they've already posted and so not require to exhibit a sudden behaviour change, or
- a good enough player that they can make any shift necessary without it seeming like a sudden behaviour change.

 

[Fishfriend1]

COLER DID U REALLY JUST CALL ME A HE/SHE/IT! Ima boy, not a she or an it, so plz dont ever call me an it again, or i will vote you even if we are teammates (thats in reference to another game), you got it?!

 

[Dagamoth]

I said I would look at Dag.
<snips>

First post on D2

This next post is very important :



So immediately Dag does not want to vote for Noods as per the bit in bold above despite the fact that she is essentially known scum right now. For all I got wrongly noted for defending Noodles...this is what you might call Defending Noodles.

I think Dag did not do a whole lot on D1, but then I would not especially hammer anyone for that, so no biggy there. The attack on FF is a little scummy in my view - he/she/it did nothing much to attract attention that I could see (I gather theres a past experience with them of some eh unpredictability/wierdness or something).

More important is the very quick campaign on the morning of D2 not to vote for Noodles.

I will hopefully get a chance to go through D2 but the above is important enough to warrant being highlighted.

Can you tell me what would be learned if every single person voted for Noods on day 2?

 

[jpappy789]

Coler only because noods may have framed him, i dont really think thats what happened though, im gettin way to much "hes a scumbag" vibes from him/

If you reread my question I specifically asked why people think both are INNOCENT. You have both as MAFIA. Why did you answer then?

COLER DID U REALLY JUST CALL ME A HE/SHE/IT! Ima boy, not a she or an it, so plz dont ever call me an it again, or i will vote you even if we are teammates (thats in reference to another game), you got it?!

:chillpill:

 

[Coler]

D2

This is just a response to FF. THere was mention of LR by Dagamoth on D1 which was to do with her various theories and whether she was in fact willing to see merit in more than one of them or something. In fairness not exactly Dagamoth targeting Lab Rat.

when did i ever target LR? If i ever targeted anyone it was you.

Dag is just explaining voting me over his target FF. Again hard to see why he thinks FF is scum, I don't think he ever made a case against them :

Yes I think FF is scum. Yes I think the town is better served with him dead. Yes I target scum to eliminate. Yes I changed my vote off him to try and save Kashta instead of wasting a vote. Any other questions?



I have to agree in this regard, it isn't really case of keeping pocket mafia around it's a case of trying to protect the other IW (if that is how the game is set up). Also agree that Noods should be taken out tomorrow no matter what.

Just the bit in bold...Noods to be taken out tomorrow 'no matter what', but me to be lynched D2...so when I turn innocent y'all should just go and lynch Noodles, irrespective of who was campaigning for me. This post I think is important.


Next one is just more of the 'lets not vote Noodles tonight' tonight.

I have to agree with us needing to be able to learn something from tonight's vote. Noods will always be there to vote out tomorrow unless scum try to hit wrong person. Coler will give us information while also taking a scum out (95% sure at least).

I vote to lynch Coler.

I believe coler is evil

ok. Again, those of you who've played before or in fact anyone with some cop-on. All he's got to say I am scum is the D1 vote for kashta. There is nothing else.

not when i am more sure that coler is scum over wiz

ditto ^

wow seems to me scum are running a train on noods

throw away remark ^

Next post is tossing something back at FF. Included for completeness :

so you're not scum but the scum are doing a train on noods then? if that is case why not switch vote to coler?

Repeats earlier thing about train :

yeah scum definitely running train on noods

Now seriously...what exactly is Dag contributing to the town here on D2.

He wants to lynch me for what happened on D1 that much is clear. He's poking away at FF - I am not defending FF but if I was scum and FF was innocent I'd be hoping they would be easy to get lynched, no offence - and he has the Wizard in the mix. And he doesn't want to lynch Noods but he's already setting up that Noods should be D3 lynch 'no matter what' i.e. when I turn up innocent.

Welcome anyone's thoughts.