Mafia #70: The Time Vortex

[noodles62]

I'm on record in previous games as not being very involved in day 1 antics. i think in general day 1 is a crap shoot where the scum always win. the odds are overwhelmingly in their favor. as townies we essentially have a random chance to pick scum for our votes, the is no reliable data to use.

with that said I've got a tin foil theory that puts someone on a potentially communicating team. and no I'm
not sharing at this time.

Posted on mobile.aquariacentral.com

Zaffy, care to enlighten us yet?

 

[dirtydawg10]

the quote doesn't pick up what Dawg is quoting, but it's from this same page, just scroll up.... I picked this because I am curious as to why you found the posts interesting, Dawg. You know as well as anyone else that whether HN was Mafia or not, he wouldn't use foolish behavior as he is calculated, sometimes intensely. I know this doesn't say much because he did indeed turn up mafia but from experiences in the past, you know as well as anyone else that Hooked would not need to follow anyone around. He's no noob and shouldn't be thought of as one... that's all... I find it interesting that you believe he would in fact play a child's role when playing the game.

I agree that his usual game does not reflect what happened on D1 in this game. I didn't disagree with your statement. I thought it was interesting that you both chose to say the exact same thing about it and turned out to be wrong. I thought it looked like you both might be trying to cover for him by saying...do you really thing HN would do something like that? When in fact he did. You also both voted for Wiz.

 

[Zaffy]

Zaffy, care to enlighten us yet?

Nope, I want to see more from the 2 I suspect are talking to each other before I potentially expose a physicist. I'd feel bad about giving one away.

 

[Zaffy]

I mean, I don't want to expose a physicist if my tinfoil theory has legs. If they look like scum to me I'll say what I saw.

 

[OgreMkV]

So, the question is, did both the other two mafia not throw Hooked under the bus? My guess is that they didn't... thinking that there were enough votes for Wiz to keep HN safe.

 

[Rbishop]

be back soon...time to pick up a great pizza from a local shop run by a guy who moved down here from NYC....

errmmmmm..seems Lady has gone a bit quiet compared to the last few days....just a thought...

 

[Fishfriend1]

OK, im back from an exhausting day of paintball! Only got shot once (right in the right hand eye whole for the safety mask), shot a few dozen people over the cause of the day, craped myself in the last game when a paintball exploded right next to my head .

I have some more notes, hopefully still valid. Cool that we got a scumbag, bad that we lost righ, i dont care about mollies, and am indifferent to TRS cause ive never played with/against him b4, dont know his ability.


Players:
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT] Zaffy
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Seems to be keeping out of the limlight, wonder why?
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Dangerdoll
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Didn’t post to much, will watch her.
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Pulled the old “Im inundated with work” routine. You can at least give an example.
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Firedancer
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]New, cant read, isn’t posting to much, but some posts seem to be well thought out, opposite of me Others seem to be uniformitive and/or BS. Cant really get a read on her.
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Noodles
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Saying that the b4 night exange seems staged, just like I did with the ogre/wiz thing earlier in game.
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Madcrawdad
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Possibley set up by HN, will watch him
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Now looking into Dawg, and the use use of the word “fish”
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Fishfriend
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Has a new Statagy for this game, will be implementing aggressiveness now…
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]This whole fish conspiracy is starting to scare me. Wonder what they will do when they realize my name has fish in it? J
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Lady G
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Talkative… not like last game as much, I will watch her.
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Aparently only talkative when evil, needs more watching.


·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Charlie_stubbs
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Post 253, Xharlie sates that his reasons were “less then pure”. Now what could that mean?
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Claimed I was misleading people(true, but accidental), Voted me due to this
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Then retracts and votes HN, who I was on, because of Day 1 list being scummy (true)
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Says wiz is looking aggressive and that he needs watching(true to the aggressive)
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Sort of dropped off the map…


·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Jbradt
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Looking into LG and Wiz. Both are good candidates for the lynch tonight.


·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Lab_rat
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Attemeted to make it a coin flip between known mafia and Wiz. Porbably Innocnet, maia would never have done that, it would make them look bad.
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Why did I laugh at the word fishy? Cause my names FISHfriend. Duh.
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]ZSandmann
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]A lot of BS from him, with some pottial tidbits thrown in.


·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Rich
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Killed day 1, innocent.


·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Johnlarson
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Thinks that LG typing “rat” from lab_rat’s name in caps is scummy, even though LG was making a point that needed caps.
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Liked my notes… Why?


·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Hooked Newbie
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Probabale Scum, followed Ogre
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Scum, Day1 lynch
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]I Love Mollies
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]UDed Day 1. Innocent
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Rbishop
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Uses the patented RB trap, saying sit in the corner of a round room.


·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Kashta
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Cat fight between her and LG, IDk what to make of it.
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Now targeting lab for “shady moves” b4 nightfall.

·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]The Wizard
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Probable Scum, he has already targeted Ogre.
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Seems to be more rehersed then it should.
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]STOP PROTECTING ME! I don’t want your help.
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Almost died day 1, missed by one vote
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Lab wanted to vote him day 1, could mean teamwork
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]The Red Severum
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Uded Day 1, innocent.


·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Dirtydawg
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Defending from mad
[FONT=&quot]o[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]Looking into the word “fish”


·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Ogre

 

[Dangerdoll]

I agree that his usual game does not reflect what happened on D1 in this game. I didn't disagree with your statement. I thought it was interesting that you both chose to say the exact same thing about it and turned out to be wrong. I thought it looked like you both might be trying to cover for him by saying...do you really thing HN would do something like that? When in fact he did. You also both voted for Wiz.

ok, fair enough... so now what are you implying here?

(if the implied is that you are trying to assemble the 3 of us on 1 team, do you really think if I was on a team with HN and Noods, that I would make myself so obvious? Give me a little credit, Dawg... ) Yes, I did vote Wiz because I believed him to be acting suspiciously. By that, it's just what about everyone else felt, that he came out like a bull running and then slinked away, turning his aggression to friendly communications...

 

[jbradt]

I find this rather interesting....The comments surrounding HN's vote retraction:


Posted at 9:41

Posted at 9:47

Posted at 9:52


Posted at 10:06 - Wiz's switch
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Dawg's thoughts on HN's vote change/removal...

Something seems odd about this entire exchange, staged, if you will. I think I will look further into JBradt as well as a few others.......

What exactly looks staged to you, Noods? Did FF tell you to say that?

I'm not home this weekend, but I skimmed and read the last several pages to get up to date.

I see the case against Lady G, her use of the code words is pretty suspect.

Lab_rat's late night move certainly looks to me like a move to "save" HN from lynch.

JB bringing up the fact that HN might UD bothered me. HN had revoked his vote about 30 mins prior to JB making that statement. I think there was still around 40 mins till nightfall as well.

My understanding is that there were no aliens in the unknown evil game by wycco? Were there aliens in the Bio games by RB? The headline certainly seems to clear RB. But if there are no aliens around then could it be misinformation? I'll keep my tinfoil hat handy in case, but I think RB is clean for the moment.

FF has been improving every game since he's started, is this a record for him, not being lynched on day 1. It's possible he's being coached, but it's also possible that he's just getting the hang of it. I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt right now.

Did good guys ever use code words?

Another one jumping on... tell me, Zaffy: how close to HN's retraction would have made you more comfortable with my comment? I commented on it when I saw it; no more, no less.

I'm on my lunch break at work, so I won't be able to post much, but I've been skimming to keep up. At this point, I'm leaning toward voting LG... I'd like to see more from Wiz before being confident enough to vote.

@ Ogre: you seem pretty sure about Zsand... how's that?

 

[Madcrawdad]

It is tough to say about the whole fish theory...I agree as I have said before. However in my opinion if LG turns up evil Mad would be the next obvious choice. I also agree that the information on LG is much more convincing with the caps on the word RAT and fish in the same post. That's why I'm voting LG. I have expressed my own concerns about the fish theory previously. I have said my evidence on Mad and the word fish wasn't great and stated why. The only reason Mad has come more to light as far as I'm concerned is because he seems to be pushing the issue harder than he needs to. Everyone including me seems to agree that the fish evidence on him isn't great. But he shouldn't get a pass either. To me the more convincing evidence on Mad is his push for votes on Wiz close to night. It's not the fish thing.

There was no push for votes onto Wiz close to night. My vote was squarely on HN. But if even if it wasn't, why did you never mention that when you said you wanted to see the lynch come down to myself of LG?

Look below:

Here I said 'fish', and was pointed to by HN...

Go figure...only 3 people in this thread used the word FISH in a post. HN, LG and Mad. Mad was also pointed to by HN as we know at the last few minutes before night. Coincidence???

If you search fish other people will come up but it is only found after night when we were referring to the code words from the other game or before night when someone would quote one of these 3 people posts.

Then here you're all for an LG vs Mad runoff for lynch. When did this supposed push for votes to Wiz tweak your scumdar, as you sure hadn't mentioned it here? Why didn't you mention it?

I'm all for an LG vs Mad race for the lynch.

I vote to lynch LG

I have been suspecting her all through this game and the most recent discovery of Fish being a possible code word and only 3 people having used the word puts her at the top for me. Especially since she may be the RAT.

A question for you, Dawg. Since I pushed back on your 'fish' theory, you've backed off somewhat saying that you feel better about LG being scum than myself, and that you'd rather lynch her first, see what transpires, and then perhaps lynch me based on how LG flips.... So why call for a runoff between the two of us? Seriously. By doing so, you're saying ones as good as the other, right? You feel better about LG being scum, and claim that what you learn from her could help you make a decision regarding me.

So, if you're pro-town, why would you want to take the chance of me being lynched first (by calling for a runoff), if you supposedly like LG for scum better in the first place? If I flip town, what does it tell you about LG?

I also feel that Kash and FF drop down on the suspect list due to their interactions with HN and accusation of HN as well as his accusations of them. I'm also leaning Wiz toward the innocent side.

I think people need to be careful about eliminating suspects with regard to interactions with Hooked Newbie. With as little as we know about the roles, and who was communicating with who, HN could have unknowingly been lynched by a teammate or two.

We know that scum had KGB, and likely a demon (based on the fact that the town had a hunter). Based on the previous game scum may have had another KGB... which would make more sense if LG was using RAT as code. Or another demon...maybe a possessed soul.

Something that I've been thinking about is that from the first game it looks like the demon recruited/possessed souls. So why didn't that happen here? Was HN the demon and lynched before he could recruit anyone? Who knows? But the bottom line is, we can't say with certaintly who HN would have been in communication with... therefore, if you're going to look to HN for clues, it's probably safer to go after those with possible connections to HN, than it is to overlook others who went head-to-head with him on D1.