Mafia #70: The Time Vortex

[Lady G]

Interesting...



Good question too. It now looks like HN has put himself in the lead and Wiz sealed the deal.

I'm tempted to change my vote off HN because he may UD, but I'm hesitant just in case...

I was thinking the same thing.



The reason would be to not waste a vote on HN if he just plans to UD anyway. I think HN is a better player than to just let himself UD though. I'm expecting a vote to come in at some point.

Ok, actually looking back...these are the posts I was thinking of. After re-reading them now though, I don't see it. If Dawg was trying to rally for others to switch to Wiz, yes...but the fact he added "I'm expecting a vote to come at some point" really takes the thought away from me.
At this point, I'm not seeing Dawg as scummy either.

 

[Lady G]

It's the way you were pushing so hard that everyone needed to see that it was that game was suspicious to me...........

Well, apparently several think I was "pushing" it. I guess I just really thought I was right. Again, sorry...I was wrong

 

[Kashta]

I've breezed through the posts since before nightfall yesterday, more or less, and there's enough of them to comment on that I could be here for hours trying to do just that. So I'll try to get through them on through the evening tonight.

Basically, in order for me to figure out who to question, what might look scummy, etc... I had to work out the Game 56 roles and powers we learned last night. So...

Starting with nightfall events and comparing what we now know as factual with what the roles and powers were in Game 56 ... then using that info in connection with Pappy's sequence of events for this game... this is giving me issues. I'm finding details/comparisons to Game 56 that I can't figure out. And I think that's important... because who we go after next depends on which theory we believe... such as the fish/fishy code word theory.

I'll explain that more as I go along. Some details from nightfall:

IT IS NIGHT!

The town's first experience in the vortex has caused confusion...just what the mafia want...somehow, though, the town comes to a decision...the right decision...

Hooked Newbie was mafia

I'm definitely not liking that vortex of Pappy's and by now I'm sure he can imagine what he can do with his blasted time machine, but we did great killing one of the scum.

A lone KGB agent walks through the shadows...trailing their first victim...

Rich was just an inncoent

This is the mafia hit and this seems clear enough. This hit was orchestrated by someone given the role of a lone KGB agent. And a townie died. Okay, simple enough.

My interpetation, though, is Pappy used the word "lone" as a hint that this scum person was non-communicating mafia. (Game 56 had multiple KGB agents using code words to communicate in the thread, so the non-communicating part would also be consistent with that game.) Still, the word "lone" seems to suggest this evil was working independently from the other 2 scum. Keep that thought for a moment... there's more.

Another towns person is out tonight and is searching for demonic souls to kill...it seems their target was killed before they could reach them..no matter, the result would have been worthless...

Here's the town's first of two hit attempts. (Demonic souls were evils in Game 56 and the good guys were Exorcists.) But notice the fact that a townie is looking for demonic souls.... plural, not singular. If that's the case (and not a typo from Pappy), then we were dealing with 1 KGB agent and 2 demonic souls.

Now here's the problem I have with this. If there were 2 demons, those roles were granted the corresponding powers demons had in Game 56. And while the KGB were not allowed to communicate with their teammates... the demon team DID communicate with each other. And that leads me to believe it was 1 non-communicating mafia and 2 communicating mafia.

But if this is true, why on earth would the KGB agent be using code words at all to communicate with anyone else in the thread? This person is described as being a "lone" agent and the demon team (of Game 56) didn't use code words at all. (That bothers me because I kinda liked that code word theory which also seemed to fit in so well with what's going on in this game.)

With this in mind, now, scroll back up to where I quoted the mafia hit on Rich done by a lone KGB agent. There you see it also said this was the mafia's first victim... or maybe Pappy was saying it was the KGB agent's first victim? I can't decide about that but I think it suggests the mafia had a second victim too. But Pappy posted nothing else about it in the thread. And if the other mafia teammates were both demons (communicating)... then what were they doing?

In Game 56, the demons couldn't kill anyone... they were a team-building/recruiting team who grew bigger by turning innocents (by possessing their souls).

So.. was someone turned last night? And is that who the mafia's 2nd victim was? If so, then there were 3 mafia, one was lynched, and a new recruit was gained.

It seems the lone CIA agent decided to take the night off instead of risk killing an innocent...the journalist, on the other hand, was busy putting together a headline for tonight...

Aliens sighted over ACVille... RB not among them.

The next nightfall post shows us two more activities done by the town. Our side had a CIA agent who could also kill but didn't submit their hit. (And this is townie hit #2 while we only saw 1 mafia hit reported at nightfall.)

We also had a journalist who submitted a headline with investigation results. And no, there were no aliens in Game 56. There is, however, a very popular public thread about Rbishop that's called "Bob the Alien." And there are plenty of alien jokes made all the time about Bob (Rbishop).

So what to think of the headline? I'm not sure. I believe it clears Rbishop as a real townie investigation result. But that's only possible if Pappy allowed the journalist to submit and investigation, receive results, and submit that headline before the first nightfall.

Two members of ACville decide that time travel was not for them...

The Red Severum and I Love Mollies were both innocent

2 innocents UD'd.. gee thanks.

The mafia, unhappy with the lynch, decide that it is time to use the machine again...

The year is 2078 and an odd, blue list lingers over the horizon...there is talk of evil genetic altering going on in the underground of ACville...the town hopes that the local engineers are on the scene...a disgruntled lab worker has also been seen frantically running around town...

Yes, Bala decided to make it a little easier on the town...

GAME ON!

Nightfall will be Sunday at 8 PM central

And whoosh, we're off to a Bio Badlands game for Day 2.

I know this is a long post and I'm sorry there's a lot to go through here, but it's what I've been trying to figure out all day and I didn't want to break this up. All the PR roles get their powers based on whichever game Pappy sends us to for that day.

Mafia Day 1 Roles and Powers

Scum #1 Lone KGB Agent -- Could kill. Could not communicate.
Scum #2 Demonic Soul -- (What were they doing? Pappy didn't tell us.)
Scum #3 Demonic Soul -- (What were they doing? Pappy didn't tell us.)

Hits? - At least 1 from what we saw.
Invests? - We don't know.
Turn Someone? - That's what demons did in Game 56. They communicated and were team building/recruiting teammates.
Communicate? - Demons yes... KGB agent(s) no.

HN was lynched and Pappy said he was mafia... but he didn't tell us if HN was the KGB agent or one of the demonic souls.

Town Day 1 Roles and Powers

Town #1 Lone CIA Agent -- Could kill. Pappy said the person was "searching for demonic souls."
Town #2 Exorcist -- Could also kill but didn't.
Town #3 Journalist -- Could investigate Day 1, got invest results back before nightfall, and could publish headline.

Hits? - At least 2 hits. One successful, the second wasn't submitted.
Invests? - At least 1 because the headline clears Rbishop.
Turn Someone? - Apparently not (?)... none of those roles could turn people in Game 56.
Communicate? - I don't think so... none of those roles communicated with anyone in Game 56.

 

[Lady G]

Ogre - I also have Z leaning scum. I stated yesterday (or the day before) that he had plenty of posts and they were all jokes. He seemed to be avoiding any topics pertaining to the actual game at all. I realize he was out of town or something but if he was going to post he could have posted some actual thoughts instead of BS...

LG - regardless of the code words, I still think you are scummy. I have already stated why several times.

Noods, just something for you to think about I will drop it after this ok.

Lets say I was evil ok, if I were I would of known the "code" words. Now, IF I were evil do you think I would of made a post with two of the words in it, knowing in the end it would be figured out? I know the words are NOT your actual reason for voting me at least that is the way I take this post. My point is if I were evil would I of done that? Think about it Noods.
Now as I said I will drop it, just wanted you to think about this fact

 

[johnlarson66]

I would like to see some sort of suspect list from Lady G.

While I do not like much of what Ogre has posted, I do see what he is saying about ZS. Seems odd that LG wants to defend ZS.

LG has bounced around the whole game. She has been very active, I would expect her to have a suspect list.

 

[Lady G]

Holey post there Kash, alot to think about that is for sure. Thank you for putting all that out there for us to look through.

 

[Lady G]

I would like to see some sort of suspect list from Lady G.

While I do not like much of what Ogre has posted, I do see what he is saying about ZS. Seems odd that LG wants to defend ZS.

LG has bounced around the whole game. She has been very active, I would expect her to have a suspect list.

I'm not really defending Z John, I'm just saying I'm not sure I think he is evil, not sure he is innocent either. Most games I played with him he joked and BSed quite a bit.

Really John, my thoughts have been everywhere so far. I just can't get my mind to stay in one place. I think one thing then look back and think no that can't be.
Right now though, Ogre is looking pretty bad to me. I am going back and forth quite about about JB still, Lab has me wondering too. Mad makes me think he has to be evil...then I think no his whole Hooked thing can't be. Wiz I was sure about for a while, but now I have him more innocent, Dawg the same. I JUST DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW!!!!

 

[johnlarson66]

Noods, just something for you to think about I will drop it after this ok.

Lets say I was evil ok, if I were I would of known the "code" words. Now, IF I were evil do you think I would of made a post with two of the words in it, knowing in the end it would be figured out? I know the words are NOT your actual reason for voting me at least that is the way I take this post. My point is if I were evil would I of done that? Think about it Noods.
Now as I said I will drop it, just wanted you to think about this fact

Forget the word fish.

Let's focus on RAT. KGB Agent Rat - That is the name of the KGB leader of the non-communicating mafia.

Here is a quote from the original roles -

You can try to send each other coded messages in the main forum. The town do not know your code names so you can try and incorporate that into your coded communications with each other. Most of the town also do not expect spies to be in their midst.

To me it seems that you attempted to use this code name. If I had been mafia and told these instructions and saw your post with RAT, I would have thought you were my leader.

 

[Lady G]

What stands out the most to me at this point is the fact Ogre put out there for a race between myself and Z saying he would be willing to go either way.
Then in a later post he said he didn't see me as evil until then? Why would he put a race out there to be between 2 players if he didn't actually think they both had a good chance at being evil at the time of the post.
He named me enough in his posts, then to turn around and say he didn't think much about me until that point????

I vote to lynch Ogre

 

[Madcrawdad]

Dawg, mad... thoughts on Z (I think mad you commented on Z or was it John)?

Yeah. His play seems different, but I don't know that I'd lynch him based on it. As I've already said:

1. The wink to HN about his HOOT theory is odd.
2. The reasoning for his ILM vote is anti-town.

I have a question for many here...John, RB, Charlie, Mad have any of you played with Z where he didn't come on joking and BSing?
I'm not at all saying I think he is for sure innocent, because I'm not but for Ogre to come on and say that is the only time he plays like that...I don't think it is.

Yeah Z screws around, but he usually scum-hunts, too. There doesn't seem to have been much hunting done by Z so far. Like I said, though, I don't know that I'd be willing to lynch him yet.

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I vote to lynch Lab_Rat

Not only because she tried to tie things up, but because she asked what she should do first. It looks like an attempt to put any fallout from her actions onto other folks.

The real life excuse is nice, but last game, as scum, she slipped twice and blamed it on real life too.

With tomorrow being Mother's Day, I don't know how much I'll be on. Probably on in the morning, and then off for most of the rest of the day.