Alright folks, finally catching up with the old stuff. Found some interesting stuff (at least IMO) thanks to reading closely through some of LG's posts yesterday. She actually brought all of this up yesterday when voting Ogre, but I don't feel that Ogre answered her sufficiently.
So Ogre, if we could revisit this....
5/8 4:08 PM CDT
Here's where you make your bold "Z is scum" proclamation and vote for Z. Fine. You also go on, though, to say that you are "perfectly happy switching to LadyG if need be." Says to me, you feel pretty good that LG is probable scum...
Zsand is mafia.
I vote to lynch Zsand
He is playing exactly like every other time he's been mafia. He says things, but the things he says are of no substance. For example, the quote above. One line for Hooked and nothing for LadyG when almost the entier discussion of day 2 has been LadyG.
I am perfectly happy with a LadyG/Zsand vote run.
I know that Zsand is mafia. I am perfectly happy with switching to LadyG if need be.
I vote to lynch Zsand... again... until his head pops off and his guts are exposed for being mafia scum.
5/8 7:48 CDT
Here you point out to JB that you'd "be willing to put money" on Z and LG being mafia. Again, you must feel pretty good that LG is probable scum...
Now, for all that, I don't think you're mafia JB. I'd be willing to put money on the possibility that our final two mafia re Zsand and LadyG.
5/8 10:07 CDT
Here, after arguing for much of the day with LG, you act all upset and say "I will (now) happily change my vote to LadyG,
who, until now, I didn't suspect that much." ... WHAT?!
You already said 6 hours earlier that you would happily switch to LG then. Then 2 hours earlier you said you'd bet money on her being scum.
And then you tell her that you hadn't really suspected her until right now.
For the THIRD TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zsand is playing very much like he has in the past, when he's been mafia. He also wasted a vote on a UD. He also ignored the main topic of conversation during this day turn and voted for someone that everyone else has ignored (in terms of voting) today.
For those reasons, I choose to vote Z and move him to the head of the mafia list.
You however, I was more willing to give a pass on. Personally, I thought the whole 'code word' issue was bogus form the beginning. FISH!!! see?
However, your recent behavior (not the least of which is missing the three posts previously where I described my reasoning for voting Zsand (and including you on the suspect list) has really elevated you position in the mafia meter.
For now, I will leave me vote on Zsand.
I would REALLY, REALLY like to hear what others think of him as a mafia. However, if it looks like the voting for Z will go no further than me, I will (now) happily change my vote to LadyG, who, until now, I didn't suspect that much.
OTOH, I will continue to push for Z as mafia.
In the two posts below, LG points out the discrepancy with you 'just now' finding her strongly suspicious when many hours ago you were willing to vote her, and bet money on her being scum...
What stands out the most to me at this point is the fact Ogre put out there for a race between myself and Z saying he would be willing to go either way.
Then in a later post he said he didn't see me as evil until then? Why would he put a race out there to be between 2 players if he didn't actually think they both had a good chance at being evil at the time of the post.
He named me enough in his posts, then to turn around and say he didn't think much about me until that point????
I vote to lynch Ogre
Hmmmm, anyone else see how he "didn't until now suspect me?
I would like to know what others think about someone saying this much about someone then posting the last post. This is why my vote is on him
When LG pointed out the discrepancy of you being willing to vote her earlier, and then saying you didn't suspect her until now, you kind of brushed her off with a bogus answer. This doesn't answer for the discrepancy at all.
G, you're jumping all over me for voting Zsand based on WHAT YOU THINK I SAID (which isn't what I said).
Then you vote for me based on that...
You're doing the exact same thing that you think I'm doing, so how does that help your case?
I'll point out that I have two reasons over and above my 'gut' feeling to vote Zsand.
You have 'Ogre's vote is scummy' to summarize.
Why are defending Z so much?
Again you try to answer her charges, and give her a bogus answer... Note the reason that you claim that LG is voting for you. I'd say you're wrong, that's not even close to what she said, and you're just throwing a lot of words out there as a smoke-screen.
Let me try to explain... you're role in my list. I had you on the list as being potential mafia because I think that people with multiple votes who never voted Hooked Newbie were very likely mafia. There are a couple of reasons for this thought. One being that mafia may try to 'hide' or 'take the heat off' one of their own by implicating another player. If done with enough conviction and skill, there might be a sudden rush onto someone else. If that person comes up innocent, the day1 excuse is, of course, "Well, they looked evil to me."
But it didn't work out that way. We got a mafia on night one. There was a major push for two people. The Wiz and HN. If HN hadn't backed my vote on TheWiz, things might have come out completely differently. But he did and several people felt that was suspicious enough to vote him. Honestly, I didn't really agree, and I'm glad it went HN's way instead of TheWiz's.
That's why there are five people on the list that I posted very quickly after the new day began.
At that point, I had been following Z's posting for a while. He seemed to be playing more of a hiding game than not. The last two times (that I remember) him playing in this way, he was mafia. I believe that I have a tell on Z. I firmly believe he is mafia. There are other factors involved, which I have already posted three times.
Now, I would have perfectly happy with anyone else on my list being voted on and would have encouraged it. It happened that other players singled you out.
This was the gigantic discussion on the 'code words'. I personally feel that entire discussion was a complete waste of time. I really hope that the code words aren't the same as in the game that is being referenced... I would be very disappointed in Jpap.
For that reason I was willing to give you a pass and search elsewhere for mafia scum. I had lowered you on my list (BTW: I am very careful to try and type what I mean. If I say 'in no particular order, then I mean IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER. That happens to be the order of the players of interest on my spreadhsheet (except for noods, whom I discovered met the criteria after I started the post)).
However, you have continued on this bizarre quest to justify Z and vilify me. All you had to do was say, "I disagree with you Ogre. Here's why..." Then list some reasons. Instead I get statements like "He said this, but then said this." as if we aren't allowed to change our minds. We also get your 'interpretation' of my posts... most of which are incorrect as has been pointed out to you several times... and not just by me.
So, you see, your own posts have gradually raised your 'mafia' standing in my book.
G, you're attacking me for my vote on Zsand. That is defending Z. You're vote on me is an "OMGUS for voting ZSand" vote. If that's not defending, I don't know what is.
You realize that if Z is mafia, that you're pretty much doomed.
Now, I'm done. If you can't come up with something else to say, then try to find someone who is a better candidate for lynching.
I vote to lynch Ogre
Early on he's "happy to switch his vote to LG if necessary," a couple hours later he's willing to bet money on LG being scum, and a couple of hours after that he tells LG that he "just now" decided that she was really scummy. So why was he whipping out his wallet earlier? Doesn't make sense.
Inconsistency = Scum
