Mafia #70: The Time Vortex

[Zaffy]

What have I got to say now?

I said shoot one then lynch the other. I really did not think LR would flip innocent with the way she latched on to JB after his RC.

I am a man of my word and since Ididn't get shot(I really expected to from the way the thread read) I accept the lynch.

Should it come down close like it did in D1, I will not switch my vote to save me I think the town deserves to know my alignment.






If I am reading correctly, Zaffy thinks there may be more than 1 scum left. It is possible the way things went that we missed a turn.

Being confirmed innocent RB would be a smart choice.

I vote to lynch RB.

I have to do a water change now but will refresh and check the game before going out for dinner.

I think there is 1 scum left right now, i think it was the night 2 turn.

i cant multi quote from my phone, but I think jb and are are agreeing with different words.

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[Zaffy]

I meant that if ogre was indeed turned by the warlock's spell, there were already 3 mafia communicating which would have made Ogre the 4th, therefore unable to communicate. When Kash was shot, he became the 3rd communicator.

This is where i think jb and I agree with different words.

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[the wizard]

This is where i think jb and I agree with different words.

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ok. I see it now. then I do recall JL did mention something about Charlie and he has been skating under the radar.

I retract my vote on RB and vote to lynch Charlie.

 

[FireDancer7905]

Ok, i have read and am feeling very scattered - you all have been BUSY!!!! (Sorry it took so long, my kids weren't feeling very independent today and then after school I went to my Dad's [he's looking a bit better today, and eating, too!] and finally to pick up my daughter about 2 hours ago. Thanks to all for thinking of my Daddy!!) It seems that the gunslinger was a great choice, so thank you very much to the scum left for choosing your very own Stay-Puft. I *think* that I'm behind lynching Wiz tonight, but something about his posts is ringing true-blue innocent, and that bugs me. Of course, I've read through the last day much more briefly than most others, just to catch up. With only one left, I think that we need to choose very carefully for the lynch. What're the rules for scum in the Vampire games? Based on jpap's night, it seems like we've got a dr/protection for jb, so that's good. For now,

I vote to lynch Wiz.

I may change, but right now it's the best I've got as I trust JB and don't want to risk UD.

 

[jbradt]

Okay, I had a sphincter reaction to Firedancer's last post so I went back and looked through her posts. Fire, I feel bad about this given your RL situations, so please forgive me...

Do we have a vote count? I've got about 3 minutes before my next class comes in.

FD asks for a vote count night 1 before placing her vote.

So far, I'm either voting HN (for the list) or ?... Seriously, I've got little to nothing. Hate day 1 voting.

Is it too early to call distancing between Ogre and JL? They've been acting like quite the old, married couple. huh.

Ogre is the only one she can name as a suspect at this point... the ? just kills me.

NIGHTFALL IN LESS THAN 8 HOURS

TRS- Zaffy 29, JL 297
Wiz- Ogre 47, Hn 50, JL 163, Zsand 274, DD 305, Rb 426, Jb 433, LG 438, Noods 445, Rich 450
Zsand- Kash 62
Chaz- Zsand 141
ILM- Lab 209, Zsand 300
FF- JL 211, Chaz 264
JB- LG 243
HN- FF 267, Kash 308, Chaz 402, Mad 470
LG- Noods 362
RB- Wiz 373, Zaffy 418

No votes from: Fire, ILM, TRS, Dawg

Pappy posts the vote count.

Well, I guess Fire isn't going to vote now....been way past 3 minutes. Never knew you needed a vote count before you could vote. Having her come on and say she will be voting HN or ?, then asking for a vote count and not voting kinda makes ya go hmmmm.

LG calls her out for the whole thing...

Nope, I had to teach, just like I will again in 20 minutes. Just checking in atm to see if jp posted a count. (Thanks!)

Actually, I think that it is quite logical to ask for a vote count. I am having trouble following the action, don't have time to reread the whole thread, and want to make an informed decision. I can look at voting and get an idea of where players stand in relation to one another, figure out what I want to go back and look up, and avoid some of the irritating fluff that gets put in the thread.

FD defends her actions and still doesn't vote.

Ok, here I go- the kids are taking a quiz, and I think I have time to post/vote.

I do hate the day 1 list, HN, but Bala knows that I've posted enough of them myself in the past. I understand how it can help organize one's thoughts. I still don't like it, but I understand it, I think. Of course, the only time I have posted a day 1 list was when I was mafia (oh my!). Icky.

I don't like Mad's quick, quiet vote for HN because of the list, either. It's an easy post to miss, and it's not like Mad to not explain his thoughts.

I totally agree with LG (gasp!) about the players on ILM- totally wasted votes. The don't even seem to hide one, though, because they stick out for how bad they are. (Did that make any sense?) I don;t know that they indicate scum at this time.

I'm wondering if JL's lone vote on TRS will stand. It seems to be based on the fact that TRS had only one post, but that doesn't seem like JL to me. Also, I'm wondering if TRS will UD, so I find JL sticking to that vote strange.

I don't like how many are on Wiz, and I'm not a huge fan of the case against him.

I vote to lynch Mad.

For the quick, quiet, please-ignore-this-post vote on HN. Note that this does not completely excuse HN, it just means that I'm less sure of Mad, atm.

FD talks about a lot of people, but ends up voting Mad?!

Actually, yes. I've read every post, but haven't gotten all the names/ideas straight.

I retract my vote on Mad and vote to lynch HN.

Mad calls her out on her reason for voting him (sorry, I forgot to pull that post) and here's her quick response. FD says she hasn't got the names/ideas straight, but she clearly referred to Mad's vote post on HN. That post did not state a reason. She knew that much, but still confused mad for HN? Did she just not want to vote there? Funny how she retracted so quick and went with the flow. Seems like it could be trying to hide.

YAY!!! and BOOO!!! Losing 3 is unfortunate, even when losing 1/3 of the evil team on night 1 ROCKS! I've got to put the baby to bed (quite the process, lol) but will be back later, assuming I don't fall asleep with her in the rocker.

FD's response to night 1. Someone pointed out before that over emotional reactions to a nightfall's events is a bad sign. I'm starting to believe that. There's a lot of caps and exclamation points here.

This makes sense to me.



I think this is the best thing that I've read about code words. IF they are in fact being used, it's the how/why that is important. I'm not seeing it.




I'm not sold on this. Also, I think that for JL to have this as his only reason for the vote isn't like him.



Why? I think that it looks like just-before-night speculation, but am curious as to what's not sitting right (and not just because I'm quoted).



I hate this post. It's way too based on gut, not logic, which is decidedly not like you, Ogre.



Hate the idea of calling attention to prs. Why even bring it up? If you're trying to protect our good prs, isn't it best to completely avoid any mention of them at all? Why not just call all scum, scum and leave our helper out of it? icky.



see above commentary - still icky.



I don't like how you're trying to make it look like Mad was pushing for Wiz, when I can't even see how you would think that. He's the reason I switched to HN, who he made a pretty good case for.



Totally doesn't sound like you. What's wrong? Even the Mafia-Meter had numbers AND some explanation. Also, don't make it look like you're not good at reading people (or not good at this game) - it doesn't suit you.



This seems more sane, helpful even. It worries me, because you have completely snowed me before when mafia.



Looking at the "lone" voters (even on ILM), I thought that I agreed with whoever else it was that said it probably leaned players innocent - lone voters get looked at way too hard, even on day 1. BUT that reason [of Z's] sucks.

Keep the bolded line in mind...

How nice of you to ask! (And Happy Mother's Day! I'm so glad that your son got a phone call to you today!!)

I think that I agree with Mad on many points, and his logic is making sense to me. I'm going townie on him.

In my previous post, much of what I quoted from Mad was about DDawg, who I am leaning scummy. He tried to make it look like Mad did something he didn't do (push hard for Wiz).

Zaffy also makes me very, very uneasy. Throwing out the idea of the prs, then not posting about it is not helpful to the town. In fact, it makes it seem like you were trying to get our communicating townies to make noise. I think that this is the most scummy thing that I've seen, next to HN's list.

I think that Wiz is probably innocent, because I doubt that the scum would let 2/3 of their team be up for vote like HN and Wiz were. This makes Z's curret vote on Wiz suspect to me.

Ogre's not sitting quite right (the initial posts about Z were less-than-awesome), but his latest posts seem to be more like him. Paired with an endorsement from the seemingly cleared (via news headline) Rb, I'm remaining neutral on him atm.

I'm not sold on LadyG as scummy, as I previously stated [about the code words].

I vote to lynch Zaffy.

For reasons previously related.

Okay, again FD says calling attention to townie PRs is scummy, and goes as far as to vote Zaffy partially for that reason.

Well, not really risk. They can both be scum. If that's so, then they both go. I hate the idea of keeping on a UD.

What's the risk of voting a UD? that's easy... people will call you out on it. (This is FD's response to Zaffy asking her what's the risk of voting a UD.)

Ok, i have read and am feeling very scattered - you all have been BUSY!!!! (Sorry it took so long, my kids weren't feeling very independent today and then after school I went to my Dad's [he's looking a bit better today, and eating, too!] and finally to pick up my daughter about 2 hours ago. Thanks to all for thinking of my Daddy!!) It seems that the gunslinger was a great choice, so thank you very much to the scum left for choosing your very own Stay-Puft. I *think* that I'm behind lynching Wiz tonight, but something about his posts is ringing true-blue innocent, and that bugs me. Of course, I've read through the last day much more briefly than most others, just to catch up. With only one left, I think that we need to choose very carefully for the lynch. What're the rules for scum in the Vampire games? Based on jpap's night, it seems like we've got a dr/protection for jb, so that's good. For now,

I vote to lynch Wiz.

I may change, but right now it's the best I've got as I trust JB and don't want to risk UD.

Here's the part where I clenched. After all that talk about not calling attention to townie PRs, FD calls this one out free and clear with no hesitation.

For all this, I retract my vote on the Wiz; I vote to lynch FireDancer7905.

Also, I have a hard time trusting a woman who says she trusts me. But that's just some stuff I have to work through. LOL.

 

[Madcrawdad]

Kash did leave FD off of her list...and FD never said addressed any of the points I made against her a couple of days back. Maybe with Wiz appearing to be a goner she didn't want to rock the boat?

Depending on Brandy's response, I could possibly get behind her lynch...

 

[noodles62]

Kash did leave FD off of her list...and FD never said addressed any of the points I made against her a couple of days back. Maybe with Wiz appearing to be a goner she didn't want to rock the boat?

Depending on Brandy's response, I could possibly get behind her lynch...

Me too. I do not like the way Kashta left her off her list and she has completely skated under the radar the whole game. I have voiced my opinion several times on this matter but did not really find anything that stuck out. JB has made some really good points.
We definately need to look at all our options. If we can get the last one before they turn any more we have won this! :woot: I will check back later........

 

[Zaffy]

TRS- Zaffy 29, JL 297
Wiz- Ogre 47, Hn 50, JL 163, Zsand 274, DD 305, Rb 426, Jb 433, LG 438, Noods 445, Rich 450, Hn 600
Zsand- Kash 62
Chaz- Zsand 141
ILM- Lab 209, Zsand 300
FF- JL 211, Chaz 264
JB- LG 243
HN- FF 267, Kash 308, Chaz 402, Mad 470, Dawg 477, Fire 496, Jb 497, Wiz 572
LG- Noods 362
Mad- Fire 492
RB- Wiz 373, Zaffy 418, JL 542

No votes from: ILM, TRS

LG- Dawg 698, Noods 728, JL 731, Lab 748, Jb 877, Chaz 895, Kash 929, Rb 942, DD 945
Wiz- Zs 747
Zs- Ogre 755, JL 853, Noods 884, LG 926, Wiz 943, FF 953
Chaz- FF 801
Ogre- LG 849
Lab- Mad 850, Zaffy 930
Zaffy- Fire 918

Everyone has voted...nightfall in 30 minutes...

SSSsssssssssssssHHHHHHHHhhhhhh!!!

Zs- JL 1004, Ogre 1027, FF 1035, JL 1042, Chaz 1057, Noods 1110, Rich 1113, Kash 1138, Lab 1175
DD- Lab 1102, Wiz 1115, Dawg 1225, Rb 1255, Fire 1290
Ogre- Zs 1168, Mad 1173, FF 1181, Zaffy 1211, JB 1224, Fire 1322

No vote from DD

My security blanket.

Does anyone have a cliff notes version of the case on Wiz? I'm gonna be out most of the day today.

 

[Madcrawdad]

Me too. I do not like the way Kashta left her off her list and she has completely skated under the radar the whole game. I have voiced my opinion several times on this matter but did not really find anything that stuck out. JB has made some really good points.
We definately need to look at all our options. If we can get the last one before they turn any more we have won this! :woot: I will check back later........

People need to be careful and not discuss too much, though. At this point it gets easier for scum to deduce the identity of the CIs...if they haven't done so already. I think that I may have.

 

[Zaffy]

Okay, I had a sphincter reaction to Firedancer's last post so I went back and looked through her posts. Fire, I feel bad about this given your RL situations, so please forgive me...
FD asks for a vote count night 1 before placing her vote.

Ogre is the only one she can name as a suspect at this point... the ? just kills me.

Pappy posts the vote count.

LG calls her out for the whole thing...

FD defends her actions and still doesn't vote.

FD talks about a lot of people, but ends up voting Mad?!

Mad calls her out on her reason for voting him (sorry, I forgot to pull that post) and here's her quick response. FD says she hasn't got the names/ideas straight, but she clearly referred to Mad's vote post on HN. That post did not state a reason. She knew that much, but still confused mad for HN? Did she just not want to vote there? Funny how she retracted so quick and went with the flow. Seems like it could be trying to hide.

FD's response to night 1. Someone pointed out before that over emotional reactions to a nightfall's events is a bad sign. I'm starting to believe that. There's a lot of caps and exclamation points here.

Keep the bolded line in mind...

Okay, again FD says calling attention to townie PRs is scummy, and goes as far as to vote Zaffy partially for that reason.

What's the risk of voting a UD? that's easy... people will call you out on it. (This is FD's response to Zaffy asking her what's the risk of voting a UD.)

Here's the part where I clenched. After all that talk about not calling attention to townie PRs, FD calls this one out free and clear with no hesitation.

For all this, I retract my vote on the Wiz; I vote to lynch FireDancer7905.

Also, I have a hard time trusting a woman who says she trusts me. But that's just some stuff I have to work through. LOL.

I don't really see what's so incriminating about her comment. If there's protection in this nightfall, you're an obvious option for the doc. She didn't drop any names, or give up anything that the scum, presumably, doesn't already know. I see it as her stating an obvious fact.

The voting is pretty bizarre though, talking one way and voting another can be scummy imo.