Mafia 72-Vampires game thread

[TwoHobbies]

Sorry (had a Mr. Palmer moment):cry: .....meant to include noodles on that list. Judge must be bothering me more than I realized.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Let me start by apologizing to the good people of ACvania for the length of this post. I didn't want to do it but when I read the game after getting home I knew that this just had to be done.

I cannot in goo conscience see this kind of contradictory behavior with out calling it out.



"We lost a team turn"?

Here you are attacking Kashta for voting DD and in your words not mine "taking the easy way"



I placed a lone vote. I don't blindly follow I read the thread and see what people are doing and make up my own mind where my vote should go.



Answering to the previously mentioned "we lost a team turn"

WE-THEY. Oh yeah I can see it all so clearly now there is only as you say 1 letter difference..... NOT



Look at your own post I pulled just above where you claim your slip was a mistype. Now you are saying you don't have any mistypes?



see above.



Your thoughts on Kashta's two main posts today. earlier you were accusing her of taking the easy way with her vote yesterday on DD. Today you follow her to vote Ice.

Let me ask you this and I want you to think about it before you answer. What is the cowardly easy way? Placing a vote you are going to catch flack for? Or following someone else to place your vote?



Much like you have done this game?

Yet you followed her to place your vote.



Again asking to be led.



Like FF following Kashta.



This one is just classic. In one post you state how Kashta made sense and connected things for you to vote Ice yet in the same post you have her on your suspect list.



Again in the same post calling Kashta innocent and then giving her a "decent" chance of being evil. Not suspect mind you, but a decent chance of being evil.

You have been contradicting yourself with both your words and actions all day.



I included this one because you have your vote on Ice but have spent most of the day going at it with rich and JM. I don't understand your logic. It reads too much like another contradiction between your words and your actions.



I had to laugh at this, you can remember a previous game but not what you said in this one. :thm:



The slip was in the post I pulled farther up let me quote it for you again "we lost a team turn" Only the vamps get turns FF.



You are right, you haven't slipped once this game. You have slipped multiple times.

I didn't see your posts yesterday as something to vote you for. After reading your posts today,

I vote to stake FF.

If I get home before nightfall and see something more scummy, like someone stating "I am an evil vampire" I may change my vote.

Let ME start with saying that you missed a few thing. I specifically said that i was considering the town a team (Team Townie/s) And that was in response (if you follow the quotes long enuff) to post 428.

Kashta has a good chance of being evil IF Ice shows innocent. If he does, then my vote will lilky go to her.

I'm branching off to see what others have done in case the Ice/Kashta thing starts to look scummy to me.

If you place a vote you are going to catch flack for (like mine on Ice) you actually try, and you have put yourself at risk for whnt you think is right. Following someone else on someone who is already garenteed death is cowardly. Placing your vote on a random person you don't even think is scummy is as bad, if not worse.

To the first blue bit: It was the easy way because all the people on DD didn't have to worry about risking an innocent. Instead they could just wast time on someone already dead.

If i have missed anything in there, plz tell.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Sorry (had a Mr. Palmer moment):cry: .....meant to include noodles on that list. Judge must be bothering me more than I realized.

:silly:

 

[judgemax]

sigh...

Sorry (had a Mr. Palmer moment):cry: .....meant to include noodles on that list. Judge must be bothering me more than I realized.

not so coached now?..must have taken a good look and decided you should slow down your perfect newbie game play?..or is no one in the chat room?

TY



A 4 way tie wouldn't have been bad. We probably would have still lost the same number of innocents but we could have had a vamp in the mix and got lucky.
What it would have done is narrowed the field for the vamp turns.

I agree, however, i also thought a three way tie, or two way tie, would have given us more telling information when all was said and done.

any more, these games are the same. one or two people with strong opinions, can lead everyone else like puppets.

And FF still reminds me of coreylover....

Anyway I need to place a vote. Could change depending on what happens today. But its that time of yr that Tstorms like and I'd rather not risk UD.

For what I consider slips for being forgetful about things just posted and because I never should have moved off you yesterday.

I vote to stake FF

Its seems to me, that everyone is going to jump on a FF train.
I agree the slips have been more than anything ...almost a give away...but i think, it would benifit us as a town, to look into some more influential (sp) players.

Do you have any thoughts on anyone or opinions you'd like to share with us Jmax?

I have tons...Kash, Ice, 2H, FF( obviously) even you, ..

I most likely wont be here for nightfall so my vote will be staying. I definitely see FF as a good choice but I like my vote on Kash. A tie between her and FF would be a good one I believe. I like the tie or three way because as Ice mentioned it does lower the options for the vamps I don't think they would waste a bit on a possible lynch person. If it were up to me I'd go with a Kash, FF, and Noods 3way.

My opinion on Ice is changing slightly, he does not have me fully believing he is innocent..no one does. Although the bite on Pap does make me stop and think, had he been a vamp and Pap's vote was on him that would mean Pap would of had to change his opinion over night and would of looked suspicious.
Then I was thinking about Ice's "plan"...he had to of known it would bring quite a bit of backlash by bringing it up, would of been very risky for him. Although Ice is all about risk so I just don't know.

Ice, is pulling strings this game, fo some reason or another...

Thanks Lady G, that was the post.

My top two are still Judge for the vote change pressure, and Ice for leading the votes on to a UD. (and just for the record I posted I didn't like it yesterday.)

Again, i didnt pressure anyone..i didnt list a specific person...if I had that would be dif. I just said ( yes, multile times...) that this was a dumb idea..

You keep dangling that out there..no one is biting,because it didnt happen the way your trying to make it seem like it did.



Something still doesn't seem right with me about Judge either. Need to read some more.

Read asmuch as you like..im still "sitting" in the same spot i was when th egame started..im sitting here..watching you...again, your game play style has changed drastically?..whats going on?..no more copy and paste for you?..

 

[judgemax]

please read in the above quotes as well, i should have known better, and forgot to put them in red...grrr..i cant edit..so ..it is what it is

 

[Fishfriend1]

Mr. Palmer is listening to the song "The Bluest Eyes in Texas" and it is affecting his mood... He is sad, because the town thinks he has been slipping up when he can't, cause he doesn't have anything to slip up about. He decides that, since he can't seem to not slip up, he will just ignore anyone who comments on it, because nothing he says will change their minds anyway. He also wants to see their faces when he either dies or the vamps are killed off. Of course if he dies he won't cept from heaven, and if they win the town will just grill him on the "slip ups". He is slowly sing the wall forming a corner, and he just wishes that they could actually trust him ont the "slip ups" that he hasn't been making. When he looks back, he sees how it would make him look scummy, and wonder how on earth he managed to make himself look like a vamp even to hhimself. He doesn't blaim anyone for voting him, as they don't know what he knows. After a short time feeling sorry for himself he goes and checks on his new, indoor strawberry plants. He put them under an expensive Salt Water fish tank light, so if the are still doing badly he will be very upset. They are thriving under the new light, and he waters them and thinks "I can't wait till they get big enuff for strawberries! Then i can make my Mega-Super Strawberry Cake!" Mr. Palmer goes back inside and dozes off with that thought in his head...

 

[Kashta]

I'm still not sure how I feel about going with the two horse race tonight. I see the merit in it, but something still doesn't settle quite right. I'm glad we have time to look at it further. My vote will most likely fall with either Kash or Ice, but what I'm looking at ATM, and what I'm wondering about from others is if both Kash and Ice were taken out of the equation, who would you be looking at?

For me it would have to be Rich and 2H. Anyone else care to weigh in?

Ice is obviously my top pick as likely scum and I'm quite certain my vote on him will not change at this point. Perhaps we'll see (soon?) if Ice steps up his game or not. IMO, going after FF as his "top suspect"... lmao. I think not. I'm sorry, Ice, that's much too easy. FF couldn't write down a friggin grocery list without making himself look scummy. That's true regardless of FF's role. All the "slips" that have been discussed, questioned, quoted, and re-quoted from FF... those are (sadly) par for the course with him and only serve to show (to me) he's even less likely to be communicating with anyone else but the voices in his own head. FF plays a much more coherent (and perceivably less scummy) game when he's on a team. If Ice were really trying to help us look for someone on the vamp team, he could do better job of it than that. If Ice actually wants to. So we'll wait and see. Meanwhile, my vote stays where it is.

Besides that, to answer JB's request for 2 other suspects...

We know there were at least 2 original vamps (who could be anybody since those assignments were random)... and they added a turn. Whoever is on that team was smart enough to hand-pick someone like Jpappy. In a team building format, the evils get to sit back and choose whomever they prefer to recruit.... and since they start out hurting for teammates, they would make their first few choices very carefully.

Going back through Day 1 activities, my overall impression is that the town (innocents and evils combined) fell back into the unfortunate and sort of typical pattern we often do on Day 1 where we (collectively) go after the easiest and most (strategically) defenseless "suspects". That's what I saw happening when our focus was largely centered on Fishfriend and TwoHobbies... then later that switch to vote UserName (who was confirmed innocent). Same thing, different reason... but still another Noob. By piling our votes and directing our attention on them, it's all too easy for the evils to hang back and watch us stake an innocent for them. All they need to do then is quietly choose their best bet for a turn or possible townie kill.

With the assumption that both FF and TwoHobbies were innocent, which I still think highly possible despite what others say... the best suspect I had in mind at the time came down to a toss up between Chill and JM. I mentioned JM at the time but opted to vote Chill.

Since then, I watched their posting and interactions in the thread. And I'd rather lean JM as more scummy than Chill. Chill has made several useful posts I think which seem to be quite helpful to get us thinking (beyond the obvious). JM has also spent a good amount of time posting in the thread. But.... after placing his initial vote on Ice... all JM has really done was keep bickering with FF all day. Beyond that, I don't really see much of an effort on his part to question others or seek out more information for us to base our suspicions and votes on.

My suspects: Ice and JM as original vampires with someone like JB, Wizard, Rich, Lady G, or Chill as their turn. (Sorry JB, I'm really undecided about the other suspect you want us to name.)

 

[Chill]

Okay Ice I really do plan to look at other people but I can't get past this. I have a problem in that I can't shake the feeling that Kash is setting you up but there is still something that makes me think you're evil. In fact the only thing that making me think you might not be evil is Kash.

The whole vote the safe UD thing is not like you. Yet you either can't see or won't see why I think that vote helps the vamps. Yes the logic of losing 3 townies vs 4 is a reason for the town to do it, but surely you can see some reason why the evil team would also recommend that vote. So I'll ask you one last question. Reach into your bag of tricks and give me a reason why a vamp might float that idea out there for the town to follow. I'm not asking you to admit that's why you done it, the same action can be chosen for good or evil purposes, just give me a reason why a vamp might do it?

 

[Kashta]

I retract my vote on Ice and vote to stake Kash


This post along with her long drawn out every post made by Ice post has made me put her above Ice for lead suspect really.

She says here that she see's she has drawn votes....has anyone actually voted her at that point? I didn't see any vote for her, so why would she say that?

couple things that have been pickin at me and I thought about quite a bit today, first the fact Pap was a turn...I will have to go back and find the post but I believe at one point Ice had mentioned if he were LV Pap is one he would choose, Paps vote was on Ice also. I just find it hard to believe Ice would turn someone who 1) he named as possible for him to turn,2) was voting him. Now I'm not saying it couldn't happen, it could but really thinking about Ice I find it hard to believe. To me it looks more like a possible "set up".
Kash was very quick to take her vote off and go with Ice's "plan".

I will take you up on your offer Kash and be the first (I believe) to vote you.

In all honesty, Lady G, I'd say you had a better case against me either for switching my vote to DD or for "defending" people like FF and TwoHobbies. But if you'd rather vote me for incorrectly stating I thought there were votes on me already instead without bothering to go over the preceding posts to make sure first... okay, that's cool too.

The reason I assumed some votes had already come my way was because yesterday around this time of day, I took a quick look at the latest posts when I got to the thread. (If you want me to pull them for you, let me know.)

I saw lots of comments which indicated people were lining up to vote both me and Ice because of our vote switches to DD just before nightfall, hoping to prevent an additional innocent from being staked. My first impulse was to continue posting in reply to those comments.... you asking what I thought about Ice coming up with that plan... FF going so far as to call me cowardly... Chill stating he thought we might not be held accountable because of those votes or that Ice and I were possibly distancing... you again intending to vote me... and so on. That being the direction we seemed to be going at the start of yesterday, yeah, I figured there was/would be many votes placed on Ice and myself.

With this expectation and knowing I'd have to address those questions, I decided I needed to take a more complete look at what Ice had been doing throughout the entire thread. At that point, I had questioned him on one issue (his theory) and didn't remember seeing much of anything else from him. So it was very possible that I'd missed something important. Instead of reading through the current posts more thoroughly, I went back to the start and reviewed the day 1 posts. I also pulled all Ice's posts at that time to see what else he'd said that I may not have noticed. Then I intended to come back and start responding to the posts that were made since I'd left the thread the night before.

You saw the post I made instead after pulling Ice's quotes. At that point, it no longer mattered to me whether I was being voted or he was being voted. Those who posted those intentions felt they had good reason and I actually agreed it wouldn't be a bad idea for the town to make that a runoff between us. That's what lead to my making that suggestion immediately following my post discussing Ice's lack of contribution/etc.

Be that as it may, I welcome your vote and others to vote me as I suggested yesterday by making this a runoff between me and Ice. I still believe that would clarify more for the town's benefit than anything else I see posted thus far in this thread.

 

[Kashta]

Do you have any thoughts on anyone or opinions you'd like to share with us Jmax?

I most likely wont be here for nightfall so my vote will be staying. I definitely see FF as a good choice but I like my vote on Kash. A tie between her and FF would be a good one I believe. I like the tie or three way because as Ice mentioned it does lower the options for the vamps I don't think they would waste a bit on a possible lynch person. If it were up to me I'd go with a Kash, FF, and Noods 3way.

My opinion on Ice is changing slightly, he does not have me fully believing he is innocent..no one does. Although the bite on Pap does make me stop and think, had he been a vamp and Pap's vote was on him that would mean Pap would of had to change his opinion over night and would of looked suspicious.
Then I was thinking about Ice's "plan"...he had to of known it would bring quite a bit of backlash by bringing it up, would of been very risky for him. Although Ice is all about risk so I just don't know.

I highly doubt that, Lady G. And the timeframe you mentioned would not be "overnight" either.

You seriously think Ice isn't good enough at this to gloss over the fact that Pappy had caught him in a lie? And that Jpap is so poor at smoothing over a change of direction (this early in the game) that over the course of two full days/nights (one game day) he'd not be able to justify a position that enables him to drop his previous day's vote on Ice and pursue some other credible suspect for some plausible reason?

I'd say the opposite is true. Neither Ice nor Jpappy are beginners at this.