Mafia 72-Vampires game thread

Went back just to be sure there were no votes on Kash at the time of her post. The only votes that had been placed at that time were....1 for 2hob by FF, 1 for me by Kash (which was retracted), 2 for Ice by myself and JM.

So Kash where were these votes for you at the time of your proposal?
 
Can you show us where Judge pressured a vote change? I must be missing it or interpreting things differently.



I'm going to be looking into FF,LG and Noods.


FF has been very forgetful and seems to have made some slips that I'm to the point I ever moved off of him yesterday.

LG seemed overly upset that I would try to lynch someone who was going to die anyway. I understand not being happy about but she was way past the point of concerned.

I don't like the way Noods jumped from 2H to Kash when I pulled off FF and voted Kash then when I moved off Kash she jumped to a single vote. For someone who didn't want to lynch someone unless she was sure she did move around alot and not even for good cases.
I believe this is the post in question Ice...
OK, but with votes so spread out, it will be **** near impossible to tell anything from voting ...

we need to eliminate atleast one person from there, ..a 3 way tie is not as bad, but one bad guy with a 4 way tie, can eliminate a townie..


One vampire, with votes spread that thin...

we need to unite a little here folks ...grab your crucifix, and your garlic, your holy water, ..and start checking your neighbors...

lets narrow this down some
 
I wish we could get a vote count. I would like to see if what I have is correct without going back through pages of posts.

2H-0- FF (430)
LG-0- Kash (444)
Ice-4- LG (460), jm1212 (473), Kash (502), FF (505), Dag (562)
Kash-1- LG (608)


I will be quiet on that one!
Where did that Mod go anyway?
Fish tank maintenance called...my filters were filthy.
 
got home late and finally got caught up.

My head hurts from reading FF's posts. I need something to eat and will post some thoughts after.
 
There was definitely some pressure from Judge to change votes. Seems to me that the vampires wanted there player out of that group.


what?..I wanted the town to try and work together..so we didnt end up where we are..a four way tie, is as dumb to me as everyone voting the UD...
IT SOLVED NOTHING
 
Either I should be offended or FF can't tell from time stamps that I posted this morning before work.

People who posted and why:

-Kashta(offence)
-Ice(defense)
-Fishfriend1(everything possible)
-Wiz (
-Dag(in defence mostly)
-JB (semi-offensive, against Ice)
-Noods(defensive)
-Chill(RP, checking possible vamp numbers and wasting out time!)
-Lady G(Defensive, offensive)
-Judgemax(recently, just a little bit)
-JM1212(offensive, some defnece)
-2H(only recently, and only to argue)
-Rich(only after i accused him of not being helpful, and he was all defensive)


This is just in my opinion, feel free to clarify and corrct points i have gotten wrong. If you want to correct/clarify something you need reasoning to back up the correction/clarification.


Don't judge everyone's posting by your own schedule. Your schedule may begetting lighter as school nears an end, but we are approaching one of the busy times for me so I will have less time to spend on the thread.
 
Let me start by apologizing to the good people of ACvania for the length of this post. I didn't want to do it but when I read the game after getting home I knew that this just had to be done.

I cannot in goo conscience see this kind of contradictory behavior with out calling it out.

I don't give a dam who voted for DD. In my mind, they took the easy way out, and that makes then scummier.



Yep. We lost pappy, DD, and User_name. We also lost a team turn. They gained 1.



By refusing to vote anyone other then DD you took the easy way out. I can't say the scum team was hiding on DD so as to save face, but I can say you are very defensive of the manuver. Thats, makes me think that you are a vamp trying to make urself look good.



I don't see how that would work. DD can't UD and be killed by Bala, but since you say that, i still think that wasting votes on DD instead of actually trying was the stupidest thing the town has ever done.



Kashta, you seems super defensive of ICE's plan. Why is that? Are you scum trying to hide that you took the easy way out? Or are you just lost and confused? You were a coward, and wasted your vote on DD. Istead of tryibg to get rid of real scum who was active, you just went for DD, because she was the easy way out, the way where you didn't have to think. DD was dead no matter what, so instead of risking 1 person(who died anyway) you went for a simpler, easier way. That was a very bad stratagy, and if you are scum then good job confusing everyone.

Ice, you came up with the idea, even though (if JB is to be believed) you have done it the other way around in the past. Why were you so certain the DD would be lynched and not still UD? Did you just want to confuse everyone? Or are you also lost and confused. The only diff between youand Kashta is that kashta still thinks there was nothing wrong with your plan. You think that it may not have been the best plan (or so you make it seem)
Your post saying that you were not trying to get people to follow you is a direct lie though. If you didn't want people to follow you you wouldn't have lead them to the idea.

"I could see this being true if DD showed evil but she showed innocent. How does that make me look good?

All I was doing was trying to buy us an extra day by cutting losses. I'm not asking anyone to trust or follow me.

It looks to me that so far LG and JM are the only ones really upset that DD was voted for, why? You got your 4 innocent kills and while Jpap can't vote he can still strategize with you."

It doesn't make you look innocent, but not trying to defend your idea as much as Kashta does make you look innocent. I will let this pass as an innocent mistake, unless you give me reason not to.

And i too am upset about the mass voting for DD. What a wast of a day.

"We lost a team turn"?

Here you are attacking Kashta for voting DD and in your words not mine "taking the easy way"

The blaim goes with everyone. If we had been able to agree on one person this wouldn't have happened. and if people had been willing to make difficult choices (aka noods, other people who voted alone) this prob wouldn't have happened.

I placed a lone vote. I don't blindly follow I read the thread and see what people are doing and make up my own mind where my vote should go.

oh, well, i can't splain that. Maybe a misstye. Its only one letter away from "they"

Answering to the previously mentioned "we lost a team turn"

WE-THEY. Oh yeah I can see it all so clearly now there is only as you say 1 letter difference..... NOT

Since when was a statement a question? I am not a vampire, but no one believes anyone when they say that, so i see no point in saying it. Can you quote all of my mistypes so as to prove that they really exist? If not then ima ignore you.

Look at your own post I pulled just above where you claim your slip was a mistype. Now you are saying you don't have any mistypes?

If you can't prove that i have had "mistypes" then why do you bring it up. Also, that joke was day 1, and old news. You seem to like digging up the dead. And i will not shut down, i will just take you a little less seriously.

ugg, im doing it again! Whenever i start defending myself like this i end up lynched or killed off is some manner or another. Ima try to stay away from doing that this game.

see above.

Between these 2 posts I think that A) Ice is sounding really evil, B)Kashta is really evil or C)They are both evils trying to confuse us. As it lies right now, i like the first one best. Sorry Ice, but I retract my vote, and now I vote to stab Ice through the heart with a stake. And hope he bursts into ashes!

Your thoughts on Kashta's two main posts today. earlier you were accusing her of taking the easy way with her vote yesterday on DD. Today you follow her to vote Ice.

Let me ask you this and I want you to think about it before you answer. What is the cowardly easy way? Placing a vote you are going to catch flack for? Or following someone else to place your vote?

I suspect, from top=Most to bottom=least: Ice, Rich ( hasn't really done much but follow the crowd and disagreed with others this game), Kashta (because her big post could just be fluff or distancing or just plain confusing the town). And that's it, other then the suspicion i have for everyone not yet dead.

Much like you have done this game?

Yet you followed her to place your vote.

Just a question, would making it a 50/50 chance (coin flip) be a good idea? Or would that somehow be a ruinous idea?

Again asking to be led.

That may be true, but you still don't add any ideas, not that i saw. You've been like minnow in a school of minnows, you just follow the guy in front of you and avoid collision with those around you.

Like FF following Kashta.

Ice, because Kasta made sense and her post connected a few things in my head that were having trouble connecting.

2H is now just below Kasta. 4th aint that bad :D your below Ice, and Kasta is below you.

This one is just classic. In one post you state how Kashta made sense and connected things for you to vote Ice yet in the same post you have her on your suspect list.

I think Ice is evil and Kashta is innocent, but even if i didn't think Kashta was innocent, i would still be voting for Ice because he is the scummiest on my list. Kashta is on my list because there is still a decent chance that she is evil and getting Ice lynched, and Ice turns innocent, my vote is going to Kashta (unless a much better target shows up).

Again in the same post calling Kashta innocent and then giving her a "decent" chance of being evil. Not suspect mind you, but a decent chance of being evil.

You have been contradicting yourself with both your words and actions all day.

It happened right about here:



I looked over your posts cause you were on User_name, and realized that you hadn't helped the town at all. You haven't even tried. Thats why I have you as number 2.



Yes, she could be evil. So could you, so could Rich, so could JB, so could 2hobbies, so could Chill. Anyone and everyone can be evil. The only diff is if you think that the one you are targeting is more evil or more likely to be evil. I think that Ice is evil and Kashta is only possible evil. If Ice turns innocent then i know who to target next.

I included this one because you have your vote on Ice but have spent most of the day going at it with rich and JM. I don't understand your logic. It reads too much like another contradiction between your words and your actions.

I remember that game, i think. I'm pretty sure it was my second game. And yes, i can see why that would be a problem, and do remeber the mod needing to do something about it.

I had to laugh at this, you can remember a previous game but not what you said in this one. :thm:

What slip? We lost pappy-he was innocent- turned vamp-killed; we lost DD-UD; we lost User_name-Lynch; and we lost an unkown member of the townie team (tt for short)

I see no slip in that.

The slip was in the post I pulled farther up let me quote it for you again "we lost a team turn" Only the vamps get turns FF.

I can't wait A) I die B) the game ends. Your gonna be eatin ur words.

I have not slipped once this game. I have not been able to as im not evil. If i was evil i would be more careful, and sound more like a great player. But im not evil, and do not sound like a great player.

Mr. Palmer is content. He survived the first nightfall, and isn't doing to shabby for day 2 of the Vampire Invasion. He is being accused of "slips" though, and is vaugly annoyed about that. HE knows he hasn't slipped, but does the town believe him? The new guy certainly doesn't. He quietly prays for Team Townies to be victorious, even if he is killed. Mr. Palmer also goes out to see how his strawberries are doing. They aren't getting near enuff sun, and he know that his famous Mega Super Strawberry Cake will have to wait. He will get those pesky vamps out of his town for the sake of his MSSC. He only hopes he is alive long enuff to make some. He worries that he won't be, and starts to write the recipe down for whoever shows up in his house first when he dies. "The first ingredient is strawberries. One strawberry for every half cup of everything else..."

You are right, you haven't slipped once this game. You have slipped multiple times.

I didn't see your posts yesterday as something to vote you for. After reading your posts today,

I vote to stake FF.

If I get home before nightfall and see something more scummy, like someone stating "I am an evil vampire" I may change my vote.
 
I believe this is the post in question Ice...

TY

what?..I wanted the town to try and work together..so we didnt end up where we are..a four way tie, is as dumb to me as everyone voting the UD...
IT SOLVED NOTHING

A 4 way tie wouldn't have been bad. We probably would have still lost the same number of innocents but we could have had a vamp in the mix and got lucky.
What it would have done is narrowed the field for the vamp turns.



Anyway I need to place a vote. Could change depending on what happens today. But its that time of yr that Tstorms like and I'd rather not risk UD.

For what I consider slips for being forgetful about things just posted and because I never should have moved off you yesterday.

I vote to stake FF
 
what?..I wanted the town to try and work together..so we didnt end up where we are..a four way tie, is as dumb to me as everyone voting the UD...
IT SOLVED NOTHING
Do you have any thoughts on anyone or opinions you'd like to share with us Jmax?

I most likely wont be here for nightfall so my vote will be staying. I definitely see FF as a good choice but I like my vote on Kash. A tie between her and FF would be a good one I believe. I like the tie or three way because as Ice mentioned it does lower the options for the vamps I don't think they would waste a bit on a possible lynch person. If it were up to me I'd go with a Kash, FF, and Noods 3way.

My opinion on Ice is changing slightly, he does not have me fully believing he is innocent..no one does. Although the bite on Pap does make me stop and think, had he been a vamp and Pap's vote was on him that would mean Pap would of had to change his opinion over night and would of looked suspicious.
Then I was thinking about Ice's "plan"...he had to of known it would bring quite a bit of backlash by bringing it up, would of been very risky for him. Although Ice is all about risk so I just don't know.
 
Thanks Lady G, that was the post.

My top two are still Judge for the vote change pressure, and Ice for leading the votes on to a UD. (and just for the record I posted I didn't like it yesterday.)

Something still doesn't seem right with me about Judge either. Need to read some more.
 
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