Mafia 72-Vampires game thread

[jbradt]

The team named earlier. FF, Dag, and 2H. Thinking about it though, it does make quite q bit of sense that 2H would seem to have so much experience even though it is heir first game. Also, ice may have FF act as erratically as possible to try to get people to think he's acting so crazy he couldn't possibly be on a team like they were thinking earlier. With ice's vote on FF and FF's following of the innocent Kash, they would have distanced one another just enough not to raise too much suspicion. That said, I think FF took it a little bit too far and tried to add more chaos by switchig to kash

So, let me see if I've got this straight... You think FF, Dag, and 2H are "the team"; but then you say "Ice may have had FF act erratically". You seem to be implicating Ice here too. That said, your vote still rests on LG? Is that about the size of it?

 

[TwoHobbies]

That leaves Kash as the target. Would LR have disclosed this? Unless she says we can't know. However the stake is first in the order of events so the vamps can't very well bite somebody who is all ready dead. LR would not be required to disclose the target once the target was dead. This is different then Pap who was turned and therefore still a viable canidate to be staked.


Why target Kash. Well the vamps knew she was innocent. More importantly by opposing Ice she would have a good chance of gaining the town's trust if he turned up vamp. In Ice's own word's




Why take the risk on voting Kash when there were other less noticeable players to draw on. Well I haven't played with her before, but the talk seems to indicate she is a very good player, couple that with the armour of having taken down the Ice Vamp if he was guilty, and she would make a formidable addition to the vamp team. Was it reall risky? She was second, but it would be almost impossible for someone to pull off Ice last night. Other than FF being such a wild card and putting in the last minute vote switch Ice looked to have a lock on the stake. In a bad sitaution Kash would make a nice replacement.

THANK YOU CHILL!!!

I haven't finished reading this morning yet but was really begining to wonder if anyone but Dag, and I were playing for the town.

 

[jm1212]

Oh yeah, i retract my vote to lynch lady g
as of right now, going back in don't think that she is guilty. She may have voted for kash, but I think that it was just poor luck on her part since it looks like she though kash was scum. Therefore, i vote to lynch ice. He seems like he is the integral part of the vamp team, and he might be giving advice to it's members. That said, I don't think that he is the lead vamp.

 

[jm1212]

So, let me see if I've got this straight... You think FF, Dag, and 2H are "the team"; but then you say "Ice may have had FF act erratically". You seem to be implicating Ice here too. That said, your vote still rests on LG? Is that about the size of it?

For the vote, read below. As for the team, I should have stated more clearly that I thought ice should be on the team instead of dag

 

[Chill]

Oh yeah, i retract my vote to lynch lady g
as of right now, going back in don't think that she is guilty. She may have voted for kash, but I think that it was just poor luck on her part since it looks like she though kash was scum. Therefore, i vote to lynch ice. He seems like he is the integral part of the vamp team, and he might be giving advice to it's members. That said, I don't think that he is the lead vamp.

Can you clarify why you would think that? or even why you said it?

 

[Chill]

Just in case it's not clear I'm asking about this part: "That said, I don't think that he is the lead vamp."

 

[Dagamoth]

The team named earlier. FF, Dag, and 2H. Thinking about it though, it does make quite q bit of sense that 2H would seem to have so much experience even though it is heir first game. Also, ice may have FF act as erratically as possible to try to get people to think he's acting so crazy he couldn't possibly be on a team like they were thinking earlier. With ice's vote on FF and FF's following of the innocent Kash, they would have distanced one another just enough not to raise too much suspicion. That said, I think FF took it a little bit too far and tried to add more chaos by switchig to kash

Who on this "team" has all the so called experience? This is my 4th game? maybe 5th. FF has played a few that I wasn't around for but experience? I doubt it, I'm betting Ice has played 3x as many games as all of us combined. Just for the record Ice is a vampire, Wiz has to be a vampire, and I'm getting pretty sure that Noods is a vamp too. I am pretty sure that FF is an innocent, a confused and erratic innocent. I also believe last night that the vampires targeted kashta, it makes no sense to skip sending in a bite / turn for a possible future staking.

 

[rich311k]

I have agree, I just don't think FF is guilty. No team would have let him do all that he has done.

I withdraw my staking of FF.

Not sure yet where I am going but Ice is a good possibility.

 

[jbradt]

I went back to look at JM's posts. Holy cow! It's clear from reading through them that it's JM's first game with FF. :lipssealedsmilie: Most of the posting is bickering back and forth with FF. There were a couple questions thrown in to Noods and 2H, but the vast majority has been questioning FF.

it just really seems like you have some better cases for people other than twohobbies. him saying something is "random" is your reasoning? it seems like this vote was much more random then if you were to pick someone else that you actually have good reasons to stake. reasoning?

Here he accuses FF of doing just what he's doing now... having cases on players and voting elsewhere.

his behavior might be erratic, but it really seems like he's trying to confuse us woth all of his ranting and excessive role playing.

This is just how it is with FF, JM. He always seems to be trying to confuse. I don't know if he is or not this time; but it always seems that way.

so you would rather have two supposed townies dead then one that is a possible UD?

Here he goes along with the "let's vote the UD instead of taking a stand" plan.

but you forgot noods

This is JM's response to Jmax's joke list. Noods was on the list. Interesting that he would miss that.

For now I think that I'm just going to place my vote... i vote to stake ice. The train that he led on kash yesterday all of a sudden and then his 'safe' vote on an obvious UD is just scummy to me. It looks like he wanted to take the easy way out after he drew a bunch of attention to two other players and successfully created trains on them very quickly. It is only early in day 2 so this vote may move if other circumstances arise... Kash is also another that is on my watch list

Now the day 2 vote to stake Ice. Later on he goes on to make it very clear his vote would not be moving off Ice.

The team named earlier. FF, Dag, and 2H. Thinking about it though, it does make quite q bit of sense that 2H would seem to have so much experience even though it is heir first game. Also, ice may have FF act as erratically as possible to try to get people to think he's acting so crazy he couldn't possibly be on a team like they were thinking earlier. With ice's vote on FF and FF's following of the innocent Kash, they would have distanced one another just enough not to raise too much suspicion. That said, I think FF took it a little bit too far and tried to add more chaos by switchig to kash

Just wanted to pull this post again for contextual purposes.

So JM spends the whole game Needling FF, but hasn't landed with a vote on him at nightfall once. He seems pretty sure Ice is scummy, but has gone along willingly with voting the UD and "the team". That said, he comes out and names FF, Dag, 2H; and seems to imply Ice in the same post. I'm a little confused.

JM... where do you stand on Ice? Is he scummy or not? You seemed pretty certain d2, now all the sudden he (sort of) off your radar? If he's scummy, why are you tagging along? If he's not, what cleared him since yesterday?

 

[Lady G]

Ok, ok, you win, but only because i would rather we look into toher players and not what the mod did/does.



Feel free to vote me, but when i die and the vamps laugh at you its not my problem, cause ill be dead. and helping decide where the stake goes.



Then it would be Dag. Sheesh, sorry for the misname. Thats what i get for posting b4 7. I was in a rush cause today is the last day I can get to the site from home, and then bye bye macs. So i have until probably 9:30-10:30 to be on, then i can no longer access the site. Not until i get home anyway, and even then only if my mom is OK with me borrowing her work computer.



Because i totally didn't give any warning... If it had been a surprise i could understand you all being annoyed, but I had been posting about it for about an hour beforehand, so you cannot claim i was surprising you. And yes, it was calculated, but only is such a way that it was guaranteed to be a coin flip. Thats why I did it the very last possible minute.



They may, they may not.



Well, my first instinct was to vote Ice (at least it was from day 2 onward) and when i stopped listening to it Kashta got killed so ima listen to in now.

Just an idea: What if the seer came out and told us who was who (so far, anyway) and the priest protected? Plz try to find as many possible ways this could go wrong, i don't want to screw up again.

If the seer came out, that would be bad....the Vamps would go after then for sure.

With the conspiracy theory "set up" scenario I’m just not seeing the reward outweighing the risk. Why complicate things with a set up for a possible future kill when you can have a guaranteed kill/turn this evening. A kill/turn last night would have helped the vamps a lot more than any future possible benefit from a set up. What’s the benefit in framing Ice so the town takes him out tomorrow when it’s likely going to happen when Kash shows innocent even without any further effort on the vamps’ part. There's much more benefit in taking a turn/kill while the set up only seems like a risky and needless complication. If Ice was not the intended victim of a set up then who was? I’m not seeing any other potential targets for a set up. Also extending the game past tonight exposes them to the ghost stake so there's a benfit in wrapping this up quicker not dragging out the game needlessly. Really can't see them passing up the turn. Sorry I’m just not seeing this is as a credible possibility.

Why, this gave them a chance to take out 2 very good players. One staked by us, the other staked the next night because of it.
I don't think it was such a "risk", it was a good move to get rid of 2 ppl who would be a huge threat to them.

see above, but yes I'm thinking it's the most probable scenario and other than a failed PM attempt about the only one that holes any water for me at all.

I still say if that were true, it would of been mentioned in the nightfall.