Mafia 72-Vampires game thread

[jbradt]

So FF, you gonna make another last minute vote switch and throw a wrench in everything again?

opcorn:

At least he can't change the outcome alone this time...

 

[Dagamoth]

At least he can't change the outcome alone this time...

Yeah but JMax is yet to vote. So the whole wrench possibility is there still.

 

[the wizard]

Okay, I really have to apologize for this post and it's length but Dag said I was lying about the timeline so I needed to include everything I found.

Who on this "team" has all the so called experience? This is my 4th game? maybe 5th. FF has played a few that I wasn't around for but experience? I doubt it, I'm betting Ice has played 3x as many games as all of us combined. Just for the record Ice is a vampire, Wiz has to be a vampire, and I'm getting pretty sure that Noods is a vamp too. I am pretty sure that FF is an innocent, a confused and erratic innocent. I also believe last night that the vampires targeted kashta, it makes no sense to skip sending in a bite / turn for a possible future staking.

Yesterday @8:11 am, not a RC but see the highlighted part.

what kind of odds you giving on a bite not being sent in? I'll give you 100 to 1 odds that Kashta was the bite victim.

Gives LG 100-1 odds Kashta was bite target, @3:42pm again Knowing something only a vamp or the mod could Know.

Actually it was Kashta who said that you and she were on different sides of the town. We have shown that kashta was an innocent. Had you been staked last night and shown vampire I'll admit that I would overlook Kashta for at least one night unless her game play changed drastically which I doubt it would of since she is an experienced veteran. Also Ice I don't think the town ever agreed on a set number of vampires. You totally slipped there saying that the town agreed upon a number is a weak excuse. Really expected something better from you.

Bickering with Ice about the # of vamps the town believes there are

I hope they hit the right players too Ice. If for some reason you aren't lynched tonight i really hope the slayer and our good souls will take out you and wizard.

yesterday @4:14 pushing really hard for me and Ice to get taken out.

yeah I really do, and I also hope that the priest will give me protection tonight because I know I've just fingered two of the vampires, you and wiz. (I was really trying to think of another word other then fingered but couldn't come up with anything) I am speculating that you and the other vampires are suspecting what role I could have in this game. hence why i'm asking for priestly protection for at least this one night.

yesterday@4:19pm asking for priest protection RC post.

Sorry Dag, but I think everyone has pretty much come to the conclusion of 3. May not be correct, but that is the number everyone has talked about.


Really...are you "role claiming" here?

What are your thoughts on Noods, 2Hob? Any thoughts on anyone besides Ice and Wizard?

Yesterday 4:23 pm LG explains why town thinks 3 vamps asks if RC.

Well I never actually role claimed and even though before hand I did check the rules to make sure that had I wanted to it wouldn't break any rules. Right now I'm in a toss up between noods and yourself who the third vampire might be. However I will say that nothing at all can convince me that Ice and Wiz are not vampires.

yesterday 4:30 denies role claim

Here Dag.. why I figured 3.















Here you even thought 2 to start...I couldn't find the post but maybe 2H will pull it for us.




Does that help explain it for you Dag?

Ice explains why 3 vamps by pulling posts from other players.

okay Dag if that's not role claiming I don't know what is?

Yesteday 4:49, Chill calls Dag out for stating he didn't role claim.

Ok, here shows where some of my problem is about Dag "coming out" which he didn't actually do, but strongly insinuated....Ice has the highest in votes, and did at the time of the post. Most are looking at him, so why risk coming out now, seems to me IF a PR were to come out is should be for a VERY good reason, not when the person that was suppose to be investigated (or so it would look) and found to be evil looks to be the one going anyway?

Now, I'm not saying there is no way Ice is evil...there could be an even bigger plan behind it if he is. Anyway, by coming out (possibly) asking for the protection of the priest, if the priest does believe him...well that leaves EVERY innocent open for a bite, they have no worries about who they try to bite. Guaranteed a innocent lost either by turn or death with their bite. IF Ice is innocent, they have 2 for sure innocents gone, and possibly a turn. IF Ice comes back as evil, I do not see it as clearing Dag either heres where I say a bigger plan could be in place....now Dag looks to be telling the truth and the priest protects him each night, again leaving EVERY innocent open for their bite. I don't see in the rules that the priest can only protect each person one time.

I vote to stake Dag

I hope like crazy he isn't telling the truth, but I see such a huge reason for him to "fake" it, and no reason for him to come out now if he is telling the truth, also could be trying to get the real seer to come out.

I have stated how I felt and thought my responses to be quite clear. The vote switch hurt the town. And if you can't understand why the you underestimate Kashta's worth as a player.



My comment about the target on her back was prior to nightfall. When she basically said if you don't want to vote Ice then vote me. Shortly after that she began picking up votes. When LR posted to send in the pm's the tally was 6-4. Mighty risky place to send a hit IMO.

Yesterday 7:39 pm I answer DAg's questions in post10 63

That was well over an hour AFTER nightfall, where you mentioned the target on kashta's back. Care to try one more time?

yesterday 740PM Dag reponds to my answers.

You will forgive me if I don't believe you?

First you come off last night and today talking as if you know for a fact that the vamp team sent in a hit on Kashta, then today you allude to a pr rc.

Something doesn't smell right here. I must say that LG's thoughts about what you could be up to sound a little bit more believable than you right now.

yesterday 7:48 my response to his"non" RC

Are you FF's daddy?

Where did I say she painted the target on her back after night fall?

Yes my post came after night fall but I was referring to why would they send it in on her BEFORE night fall when she was at such a great risk of dieing.

yesterday 7:52 pm I explain one of my answers to his question to him.

You said she had a target on her back, then asked why would vampires pick someone with a target? I asked would the target still be there had Ice been staked and shown vampire? You still have not answered that.....

Dag claims I didn't answer his question yesterday 8:14

I fail to see the need to answer a question that the answer is so obvious. But, just to satisfy you, obviously not. Now let me ask you something.

Are you through trying to distract us from figuring out who the vamps are?

yesterday 8:27 I again answer his question

I still can see reasons to vote FF even though I retracted.

I retracted my vote because of the way Dag and 2H were posting after nightfall. They were posting along the same lines with wording that alluded to KNOWING something a townie couldn't possibly KNOW.

Everyone suspected 2H for playing a little too good for a newbie. Many stated he was most likely being coached.

Then he started to make posts that we would be more expecting from a newb. I think it was Rich that asked if the copy and paste wasn't working for him. I don't remember and frankly am too tired to try to find it right now.

What I am wondering is if Dag told him to slip up a little and not play as good a game as he was playing up to that point because his posts did seem different.

Then after his absence at nightfall, he comes back and posts the same way Dag was with Knowing something he couldn't have known unless he was on the vampire team. (referring to his and Dag's claims that they knew the hit was in on Kashta).

That combined with Dag's apparent inability to understand what I said when I answered his all important questions, (Dag you are too smart to not know or understand what I meant and posted) makes me think my vote needs to fall there.

Of the two, I would say Dag is much more dangerous to the town than 2H is.

I vote to stake Dag.

yesterday 8:47 I explain the reason behind my vote and vote Dag.

So since the target would "obviously not" be on Kashta's back would it have been a smart play for the vampire team to bite her?

And to answer your question, no I am not distracting the townie from finding the vampires. I am hopefully leading them right to you and Ice who I know are vampires. While I am not sure who the third vampire is I am hoping that the priest will offer protection for one night so that I can see if I can go 3 for 3.

Now he KNOWs I am a vampire, before it was "HAS TO BE"yesterday 9:43 pm

Can you tell me something Dag, why would you choose a time when the lead vote getter is your supposed for sure, to "come out" or what ever it is you are trying to do?

yesterday 10:47 LG asks his reasoning for coming out he still has not admitted to RC

Here is another example of why I can't believe you.

These posts were made AFTER your rc which you say you didn't do.






Now the way I read it, you at first say that I HAVE to be, then on the same day you say that you KNOW. that seems to me a little off.

In the time travel game,(sorry for bringing it up JB ) Ogre KNEW that ZS was scum, and because of that we lynched an innocent ZS.

You also KNOW that the hit was sent in on Kashta.

It seems to me that you KNOW too much from both sides of the fence to not be a double agent.

Oh wait, this is vampires and not spys, there are no double agents.

Add to that LG's bringing up that your main suspect was set to be lynched when you didn't rc which doesn't make sense. It doesn't strike me as a townie pr thing to do.

It seems to me that you guys are just getting anxious and trying to eliminate who you think might do the most damage to the scum den.

You had Ice and Kashta up against each other last night (both much better players than myself) and didn't care which one went as when they showed innocent the other would take the fall the next night. As we see happened with the votes flocking to Ice.

You had the hit in on Kashta because you figured to get bold and try taking them both out on the same night. However, FF who we know cannot access message boards from home, thought that it would be a good idea to insure that Kashta would go and decided to switch last minute and screwed up your plans.

That would explain his repeated posting about switching before hand. He was waiting for some kind of confirmation on what to do and not getting it, acted on his own.

This is starting to make sense now.

Yours wouldn't be the first FALSE rc we have seen in these games.JL did it to me in one game right after Kashta got killed off and Ice who had the power of protection believed JL. We lost that game.

I have to hand it to you, you did a pretty good job of keeping yourselves hidden. If it weren't for the lucky shot by the slayer D1, we would be faced with one more vamp than we have.

Ice is a sharp player and in every game I have played he has been remarkable at figuring out who the scum are. That fact added to what I have read in you and your teams posts, make me breath easier knowing we have finally found our direction it is nice to finally see a vamp up for staking.

today 6:54 am

Why would I wait until now to come out? There is a simple explanation to that question that I ran through my head much of yesterday. Has the vampire team figured out what role I have when I told the town that Ice and Wiz are vampires? After much deliberation I decided that there was a probable chance they had indeed figured out my role. In order to have a chance to live through the nightfall without getting bit I believe I had to ask for the priest's protection, even if the priest doesn't give me protection, the act of just asking for it will give Ice, Wiz and the other vampire something to think about before they decide who to bite (and yes they will try and bite someone there is still no logical reason for them not to).

So now you might be asking well why did you point out Wiz and Ice as vampires if you thought it might let the vampire team figure out your role? Well that is because I don't want to sit around on knowledge that can help the town while I'm waiting who knows how many days to find the priest so I could privately ask for protection. If I were to die tonight before dropping wiz's name I wouldn't have done a very good job for the town. If I was lying about my role why hasn't someone else come forward to claim it? Simple answer is only the vampires would do that and by doing that they would out themselves.

Dag finally states a little clearer about his role. today @ 10:14am

So, Dag... you've come out. Let's not beat around the bush. I'm looking for a reason to believe you and keep my vote where it is rather than switching to you. But it seems to me like you keep contradicting yourself. First, you say Ice is a vamp, and Wiz "has to be"; now it sounds like you know for sure that Wiz is as well. What I want to know from you is: who did you invest on the first two nights? And, what caused you to invest that person?

JB calling you on your contradictions

Ice night 1 because of the whole "if lab rat were to pick people for roles.... thing". He is a vampire.

Wiz night 2 because he had a wasted vote on FF during a critical vote and had been unusually quiet so far during the game. He is a vampire.

I see it all so clearly now, When I had a busy day I stated so before going to work, D2 I didn't even get to skim the day's posts before night fall and then you and 2H came out posting with how you knew things only the mod and vamps would know. So because I wasn't commenting on things I never got to read thoroughly because of my job, I am a vampire. That dog won't hunt.

You claimed to have investigated me and now you say I am a vamp because I was quiet.

Then why, in your original post sharing your information did you state Wiz "has to be" a vampire? You stated clearly that Ice is one, but didn't seem so certain on Wiz. I'll go back and find the post if you need, but I don't think anyone will disagree that that is what you said.

Why did you not just come out and say Ice and Wiz are vamps?

Again JB calling you on your wording.

Because at that time I was not sure if I wanted to come out or not. Go and check the timeline that Wiz had just laid out and you'll see that he is lying about when what was said.

I have included the time of all the posts you are referring to here.

lol, well what do you think of the timeline lie that wiz put out there earlier today?

The only lie I am seeing is your false RC. As I said it isn't the first time we have seen that. It makes more sense for a vamp to false RC when you did than for the PR to RC.

 

[noodles62]

wow, it is quiet...wonder if Judge will UD. If she does, she better be a vamp!

 

[jm1212]

That is a good question, how are you so sure that kash was the bite?

 

[the wizard]

and please feel free to ask me any direct questions you like.

I don't need to ask you any questions, you would only lie to cover up your false RC anyway.

Firstly, I never asked the slayer or the good souls to stake anyone tonight. I only want you to be staked so that everyone will know that I am telling the truth. You are the person who is assuming that I want the slayer to stake someone. It would be impossible for me to trick the seer into coming out as that would involve tricking myself to reveal myself which I have already done.

The reason as best I can figure that you did not place a vote on Kashta on day 2 was that you were going to burst into ash when staked and you had agreed with your team that recruiting the person who had lead the charge to put you on the stake was the best option. All indications had been that you were going to be staked yesterday until 1 minute before nightfall when FF changed votes. This falls in line logically with there being no attempted turn last night.

Right now I have asked Wizard the question of would it make sense for the vampire team to recruit Kashta had you been staked and shown vampire last nightfall. He is still yet to answer that after I have asked about 4 times now. He has come up with other accusations but he is still unable to answer that single simple question.

Also how are you coming up with the figure of 4 if I am kamikaziing? If the slayer and the good souls believe me they would either stake you or wiz not some random person.

If anyone attempted a kamikaze this game it would be yourself last night when you did not vote for kashta because you knew she was the target of the bite and would be a replacement for yourself in the vampire ranks who many of the towns people would trust for the most part because she lead the charge to get a vampire staked.

No you didn't ask anyone to add an extra staking tonight, but the way you have been posting it is obvious that you are hoping to try to get this game over quickly so that you and your scum buddies can laugh it up at our expense.


Yesterday you KNOW that there was a hit sent in on Kashta today there is a possibility that there wasn't? Having trouble remembering what you said? Must be tough trying to juggle one falsehood after another.

I have told you repeatedly that IMO it would be foolish to target someone that was in the running for a lynch/staking.

 

[Dagamoth]

Okay, I really have to apologize for this post and it's length but Dag said I was lying about the timeline so I needed to include everything I found.

Yesterday @8:11 am, not a RC but see the highlighted part.

Gives LG 100-1 odds Kashta was bite target, @3:42pm again Knowing something only a vamp or the mod could Know.

Bickering with Ice about the # of vamps the town believes there are

yesterday @4:14 pushing really hard for me and Ice to get taken out.

yesterday@4:19pm asking for priest protection RC post.

Yesterday 4:23 pm LG explains why town thinks 3 vamps asks if RC.

yesterday 4:30 denies role claim

Ice explains why 3 vamps by pulling posts from other players.

Yesteday 4:49, Chill calls Dag out for stating he didn't role claim.

Yesterday 7:39 pm I answer DAg's questions in post10 63

yesterday 740PM Dag reponds to my answers.

yesterday 7:48 my response to his"non" RC

yesterday 7:52 pm I explain one of my answers to his question to him.

Dag claims I didn't answer his question yesterday 8:14

yesterday 8:27 I again answer his question

yesterday 8:47 I explain the reason behind my vote and vote Dag.

Now he KNOWs I am a vampire, before it was "HAS TO BE"yesterday 9:43 pm

yesterday 10:47 LG asks his reasoning for coming out he still has not admitted to RC

today 6:54 am

Dag finally states a little clearer about his role. today @ 10:14am

JB calling you on your contradictions

I see it all so clearly now, When I had a busy day I stated so before going to work, D2 I didn't even get to skim the day's posts before night fall and then you and 2H came out posting with how you knew things only the mod and vamps would know. So because I wasn't commenting on things I never got to read thoroughly because of my job, I am a vampire. That dog won't hunt.

You claimed to have investigated me and now you say I am a vamp because I was quiet.

Again JB calling you on your wording.

I have included the time of all the posts you are referring to here.

The only lie I am seeing is your false RC. As I said it isn't the first time we have seen that. It makes more sense for a vamp to false RC when you did than for the PR to RC.

Why is it you are able to pull the post where I asked the question :

So since the target would "obviously not" be on Kashta's back would it have been a smart play for the vampire team to bite her?

And to answer your question, no I am not distracting the townie from finding the vampires. I am hopefully leading them right to you and Ice who I know are vampires. While I am not sure who the third vampire is I am hoping that the priest will offer protection for one night so that I can see if I can go 3 for 3.

And still not be able to answer it? Is it that hard for you to directly answer a question?

Yes I did go from "has to be" to "is" a vampire when describing you but I also RC'd in between those posts. If you have any direct questions to ask me please feel free.

 

[Dagamoth]

That is a good question, how are you so sure that kash was the bite?

I am sure because I see no real reason for the vampire team to skip biting someone. The whole theory of the vampire team is trying to trick us by not biting is akin to seeing a quarter heads up on the ground. Instead of thinking there is a quarter heads up on the ground you believe that there is a 2 headed quarter lying on the ground.

 

[the wizard]

Why is it you are able to pull the post where I asked the question :


And still not be able to answer it? Is it that hard for you to directly answer a question?

Yes I did go from "has to be" to "is" a vampire when describing you but I also RC'd in between those posts. If you have any direct questions to ask me please feel free.

How is it that out of all the times I said it would be too risky to chance sending a hit on someone that might die, you can't seem to see that I answered that question?

Stop trying to confuse the town. These people are a little sharper than you give them credit for.

 

[Dagamoth]

How is it that out of all the times I said it would be too risky to chance sending a hit on someone that might die, you can't seem to see that I answered that question?

Stop trying to confuse the town. These people are a little sharper than you give them credit for.

Actually the question I asked quite a few times now is this:

If Ice had been staked and shown vampire, would there be a target on Kashta's back? If that happens would it be a good idea for the vampire team to bite Kashta?