Are Water Changes Actually Necessary?

Do you change your water?

  • No

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Not unless conditions require it (like high nitrates)

    Votes: 60 13.8%
  • Yes, I do it on a specific timeline (daily, weekly, whatever)

    Votes: 358 82.3%
  • Undecided / Other

    Votes: 14 3.2%

  • Total voters
    435
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precisely. Unless you're using a DSB, or have put together some sort of algae scrubber filter, OR heavily planted, your nitrates should never be 0 in a planted tank.

Regardless, if you keep it that way, have fun with cyanobacteria. ;)
 
OK. I'll answer paragraph by paragraph to make sure I cover it all... but if you read my above LONG reply, I did discuss spawning in nature. As far as spawning rates, livebearers spawn all the time.... usually regardless of water parameters. Certainly, giving birth and raising fry (for parents that do) is hard on fish so I wouldn't push fish to the extremes but as long as a fish keeper isn't doing things to push fish to extremes, the fish should be fine. This is why we try to match water temperatures and keep other parameters like pH, GH and KH at levels so that a PWC doesn't change their water too much, too fast.... so we don't artificially create spring every week when we do tank maintenance. As far as growth rates, this has been proven scientifically and by hobbyists... doing frequent partial water changes, either weekly, twice a week, daily or hourly, will allow your fish to grow at their maximum natural rate, instead of being stunted by the dirty, polluted tank water with excessive levels of hormones in the water. You can't make the fish grow faster than their natural growth rate unless you are adding some kind of growth hormone or steroid to the tank. You can stunt their growth by underfeeding/overstocking and then not removing the hormones and other pollutants from their dirty tanks.



If they are spawning naturally, then they are probably doing OK. If they are spawning due to your water changes causing them to think it's spring every two weeks, then it may not be OK. As you may or may not know, Angelfish should grow to 6"+ long and 8"+ tall and are BIG fish so they need lots of water volume... at least 35G per fish for long term housing. Breeders will put a mated pair in that size tank but they usually don't stay in that size tank all of their lives... and this is usually once they are full sized adults. Once a fish has reached full size, it won't get stunted, so keeping them in a slightly undersized tank is OK as long as there is proper maintenance being done and the fish has enough swimming room. It's the fry and juvis that absolutely MUST Have adequate sized tanks and water changes and nutrition to allow them to grow to full size so they aren't permanently stunted.



As I and others have said, how much water you need to change out every week and how much tank maintenance is needed is dependent on the overall ecology and bioload of the tank. For example, if you have a single neon tetra in your 120G tank, you could go months without doing a PWC or filter maintenance without a problem. However, if you have two full sized Oscars being fed lots of protein rich foods every day, you would have to do weekly or more frequent tank and filter maintenance to keep their tank from becoming a polluted cess pool. While no two tanks are alike, most newbie fish keepers, unfortunately, overstock and under maintain their tanks which is why more experienced fish keepers strive so hard to try and get them to fix things before they are broken. Some of them hang on to the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" slogan but once a fish gets stunted, you can't fix it and stunted fish have a much higher rate of illness and a much shorter life span than *normal* sized fish. Most folks have no clue about how long their fish should live which is why I've worked for many years on my blog article about fish lifespans. People think goldfish can live in bowls and only live a few months or years where goldfish should grow to be BIG fish and live 20-40 years or more. Most people think a Betta can live in a small vase and only lives a year or two... but they should be in larger tanks and can live 8-10 years. I could go on and on.

Folks have to decide if they want to listen when someone who is more experienced and knowledgeable tells them that 1+1=2. It always does and always has and it doesn't matter if someone else, somewhere, feels sorry for a them and says 1+1 could equal something other than 2 and gives them partial credit if they answered 3. I regularly see "what works for you may not work for me" type posts. While there are some variables involved in the hobby, as explained above, fish keeping is not an art, it's a science and there are scientific facts that affect almost every phase of our hobby.... not feelings. Folks can feel whatever they want but the scientific facts are exactly that... facts!

OK now can you point me too the scientific facts that you refer too. I ask this because too many times things are said or done just because and not because of any proof other than I say so and I am not referring to me saying I say so. I also wonder about the angel fish sizes, are you referring to total fish as in fins and all or are you refering to body size only.
 
This is why the nitrate test, while a good guideline, isn't the ONLY thing that we should base our water changing schedule on. I do doubt that your nitrates are zero though. If you have lots of live plants, they would be suffering and if you don't have live plants, then you don't have a *normal* aquarium and you must be using advanced filtration methods. You should disclose these FACTS instead of wasting our time.

You know... I'm going to start looking at the stats on members before answering questions. You have over 1,000 posts so you're not likely a newbie and not likely a dummie so I'll presume you're just jerking people off with your posts. Quit being a troll!

OK now you went over board IMO. I have been in this hobby both FW and SW Reef for close to 40 years. I have never done things just because someone said I had too but I am always willing to learn so thats why I ask for facts when something is said that I might not understand or agree with.

I have tried to stay out of this thread but I couldnt because I want to see these facts so where are they. I never tell people to do what I do because according to everybody else what I do cant be done. I ask these questions to get people thinking about these subjects and to maybe use some caution when answering some questions.

I do run a deep substrate and quite a few plants and am dosing micros and macros daily and with several different test kits I have not been able to get any consistant nitrate readings only the seldom 5-10 reading. I also run multiple filters and power heads to keep things suspended for the filter to take out and I have MTS all thru the substrate.
 
I agree that was a bit overboard. Archer is one of the more respected and knowledgeable posters on AC (especially in the saltwater forums). Most certainly not a newbie nor a troll.
 
OK now can you point me too the scientific facts that you refer too.

When I raised the question of scientific data a while back, I was in essence told "Because we said so." :grinno:

We apparently would disagree on the definition of "scientific data", but not necessarily anything else. I was genuinely interested in reading it, and it certainly would put this long-running argument to rest.


"What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning."
~ Werner Heisenberg
 
I also think that this is getting a tad out of hand...Isn't this supposed to be a place where people can have CIVILIZED discussion and help each other out when a problem is encountered?
 
I realize that asking for true facts can be kind of annoying to some but I know there is alot of stuff on the internet that is like he said she said and some people take it as facts. I just like knowing that there has been some kind of true study done when I am told that what I am doing cant be done of at least shouldnt be done.

I have raised most all of my fish to there full size and what I feel as a full life. I have kept the smaller tetras and such for 5 +/- years and keep angels for 7-10 years. I do loose fish at times but it has usually been do to my angels breeding and killing other fish in my tanks so I dont see any reason to change what I am doing at this time and for the fish I keep.
 
I realize that asking for true facts can be kind of annoying to some but I know there is alot of stuff on the internet that is like he said she said and some people take it as facts. I just like knowing that there has been some kind of true study done when I am told that what I am doing cant be done of at least shouldnt be done.

I have raised most all of my fish to there full size and what I feel as a full life. I have kept the smaller tetras and such for 5 +/- years and keep angels for 7-10 years. I do loose fish at times but it has usually been do to my angels breeding and killing other fish in my tanks so I dont see any reason to change what I am doing at this time and for the fish I keep.

then why are you even arguing? dont change anything, have a nice day, and enjoy your fish.

I never understood why those who will not be swayed by anything even bother asking.

I also think that this is getting a tad out of hand...Isn't this supposed to be a place where people can have CIVILIZED discussion and help each other out when a problem is encountered?

if you're looking for something MORE civilized than this well-moderated forum.. you might want to visit disney.com.
 
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Looking for "facts" in this hobby is sort of a dead end. Yes, there are many studies on rearing fish for commercial purposes but really you're comparing apples to oranges. Not everything is going to be applicable to keeping ornamental fish in an aquarium.
 
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