Mafia 78- The Gunslinger Returns...The Play

[IceH2O]

Well reading todays events I think its safe to say JB Dag FF and Hay are my remaining suspects.

If Tay LG Rich Jpap and Kash pulled it off then they deserve the win. What is really scary is that its totally possible and if not for the posts made by the suspected scum today was something running around in my head.

 

[Fishfriend1]

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Tell me FF, what about JB's argument makes sense to you, if any of it? And I mean actually take what he says about me and let me know what about that is actually incriminating and not a pile of turds. Ignore my "defensiveness" and just straight up tell me what is scummy about what I have done.

There was nothing super incriminating in JBs post, but that doesn't change your reaction. You seemed way to defensive at the time, and your insistence that you weren't is not helping.

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So in these two posts, Chill asks the town three separate questions.

1) Did Kash setup Rich or try to draw the shot away from her?

2) What are your thoughts on Dag?

3) Did the scum put more than one teammate on their list of Kash, Rich, and FF?

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FF's response is that he answered about Dag. Funny because that is NOT the question Chill was referring to and the fact of the matter is FF jumped on Rich for not answering a question that, AFAIK, he himself has yet to answer.

To ensure no confusion in this, here are my answers to Chills 3 questions. Im pretty sure i answered them already, but to be safe, here:

1)Could be both, but im partial to the set up one.

2)Dag... i think Dag is helpful and innocent, but thats just me. He hasn't yet done anything i can consider scummy yet.

3)Probably, seeing as i think Rich is scum, and we know Kashta is scum.

Dag, you're conveniently forgetting a couple of quotes from yesterday, before Chill shot Kash.

Chill was still hesitant to shoot Kash...all she had to do was plant a seed of doubt in his head and it would be game over.

Maybe Kash was 95% certain that she would have been shot, but at the same time she left every innocent doubting her motives.

You seem dead set on having Rich be innocent. Why so certain dag is wrong?

 

[Dagamoth]

Well reading todays events I think its safe to say JB Dag FF and Hay are my remaining suspects.

If Tay LG Rich Jpap and Kash pulled it off then they deserve the win. What is really scary is that its totally possible and if not for the posts made by the suspected scum today was something running around in my head.

I think LG might be an honorary member of the team again. I think it is more likely that FF or JB is in her spot on the official scum team.

 

[jpappy789]

Do you really expect Kashta to outline her scum motives to the town? All those posts that you outlined from Chill said the same thing he said right after he got the gun, he's most likely going to shoot Kashta but he wasn't 100% sure at the time.

When did I say that I expected her to do that? I said that he plan was likely two fold. 1) go for the win and if that doesn't work 2) Rich's identity will still be questioned. It almost worked...I seriously thought that it most likely was distancing but then FF, JB, and Hay started posting more and I decided to move Rich to the innocent side.

There was nothing super incriminating in JBs post, but that doesn't change your reaction. You seemed way to defensive at the time, and your insistence that you weren't is not helping.




To ensure no confusion in this, here are my answers to Chills 3 questions. Im pretty sure i answered them already, but to be safe, here:

1)Could be both, but im partial to the set up one.

2)Dag... i think Dag is helpful and innocent, but thats just me. He hasn't yet done anything i can consider scummy yet.

3)Probably, seeing as i think Rich is scum, and we know Kashta is scum.



You seem dead set on having Rich be innocent. Why so certain dag is wrong?

So you think me totally debunking a BS post and being "defensive" about it is more important than the fact that JB made the BS post?

Nope, you didn't which is why it makes no sense why you jumped on Rich for not answering the 3rd one right away. I wasn't the only one to pick up on it, Chill mentioned it first.

Please show me where I say that Im "dead set" on Rich being innocent and where I am "certain" that Dag is wrong. I'm weighing all the options I laid out right after Kash was shot and going with what I feel best suits the situation.

 

[Taysius]

Seems like the town is nearly evenly split right now. I don't have much else to say at this moment. There is no need for me to repeat the things I've already said.

Chill, I'm not asking you to shoot anytime soon but I am curious if you're planning to take the full 48 hours or not. The anticipation is killing me, lol.

 

[jpappy789]

Well reading todays events I think its safe to say JB Dag FF and Hay are my remaining suspects.

If Tay LG Rich Jpap and Kash pulled it off then they deserve the win. What is really scary is that its totally possible and if not for the posts made by the suspected scum today was something running around in my head.

If LG, Tay or Rich are on the team at all I give up.

 

[Fishfriend1]

So you think me totally debunking a BS post and being "defensive" about it is more important than the fact that JB made the BS post?

Nope, you didn't which is why it makes no sense why you jumped on Rich for not answering the 3rd one right away. I wasn't the only one to pick up on it, Chill mentioned it first.

Please show me where I say that Im "dead set" on Rich being innocent and where I am "certain" that Dag is wrong. I'm weighing all the options I laid out right after Kash was shot and going with what I feel best suits the situation.

No, but it is interesting. I don't bother focusing on the obvious stuff, i was looking for the less obvious.

Well, i thought i had. So deal with it.

Look Below for a min...

If LG, Tay or Rich are on the team at all I give up.

You say that you think Rich is innocent. Where have you once said out loud since Kashta died that Rich was possibly evil? Where?

 

[IceH2O]

Chill needs to shoot and put these guys out of their misery. They are scrambling so hard that they'll soon be omelets.

 

[Taysius]

Chill needs to shoot and put these guys out of their misery. They are scrambling so hard that they'll soon be omelets.

:iagree:

 

[Lady G]

The reason I think Kashta would have gone for a setup really boils down to the first hours that Chill had the gun:





In three hours after becoming the gunslinger Chill stated twice that he most likely intends to shoot Kashta. Now if you were in Kashta's and her scummate's position would you take it seriously if the GS said twice that he most likely will shoot you? Personally I would take it very serious and then I would come up with a plan to help my team as best I can with my death. A few of you have thrown around the number of like 95% chance to get shot and 5% chance of getting the win. I believe that everyone agrees that Kashta is a methodical and logical player when it comes to these games. How logical does it sound to go for a 1 in 20 chance to win versus a 19 in 20 chance to implicate your whole team and get them killed right after you? Logically I can't see any reason that someone would go with a 5% chance to win and risk a 95% chance to essentially lose the game.

Now if you couple that with what comes out in the next few hours after Kashta's death:

I really find it hard to believe that the three of you basically come to the same list and believe that Kashta would go for a 1 in 20 chance to win and screw her team over like that. I really am thinking that Ice is innocent at this point but the fact that Lady G and Tay chime in after him and state basically the same list really makes me question it. I don't know how else to describe it but it seems like a scum plan to me.

Ok, the 5% thing wasn't what you are trying to make it out to be for one. It was said she would of been 95% sure she was the shot...I said that gave a 5% chance she wouldn't be, sorry but I am pretty sure she would take that chance and try to sway Chill.
As for Tay and I having the same list as Ice...well sorry if it makes since. Has nothing to do with Ice, and if you really think 2 members of her team would go after her so hard to get her shot, I don't know what mafia games you have been playing, but I don't think I've ever seen that. Yep, after a case has been built and it looks as though they are going or have been outed, other members may join in...but if you look back, Tay and I pretty much got the ball rolling and kept it going on her.
She took the chance of getting Rich killed off, he was second in suspect lists and I'm sure she thought she could sway Chills thoughts, especially with the way Chill had posted about his doubts, then she also made it possible for her team to come after Rich IMO by trying to say she was "distancing" from him. If you ask me...that is more likely how she "set her team up" for a win. She thought the town would go after Rich next.

I still do not see the point of setting anything up. If I was scum I would be high on the suspect list, how does that help the mafia team out? She was trying to get me killed instead of her to win the game.

Agreed

Aside from the fact that like 4 people went from Rich is likely scum to kashta was trying to get rich killed he must be innocent in the last day I don't know. Other than to make her teammates looks innocent I can't see the point of not going for the win..... But hey that's just me, I don't like to bet on the 5% odds.

Ppl switched, because it is logical. How can you not even take the thought in consideration, it really strikes me the way you are so bent on the fact it HAS to be Rich is evil, because he was on lists before. Look how many lists Ice was on in the beginning.
Then you say yourself you can't see the point of NOT going for the win...that is what she did she tried to get Chill to change his mind and GO FOR THE WIN!!!