Mafia 78- The Gunslinger Returns...The Play

Chill already pointed this out but I thought I should put the string of quotes together.

Not sure what I want to ask today but let's start with this:

I know some of you had commented on this all ready but for those who didn't Do you think Kash was going all out for the win or was she trying to ensure the team win by building some cred for her team?

I also don't have a read on Dag. If memory serves I only played with him twice and both times I read him wrong, so if anyone has any thoughts on Dag so far this game can you post them? Sorry Dag not picking on you just trying to be thorough.

Yesterday the town was almost unanimous in their suspect list: Kash, Rich, and FF made almost every list. Some scum had to list them so how likely is it that scum would put more than one of their own on a list?

So in these two posts, Chill asks the town three separate questions.

1) Did Kash setup Rich or try to draw the shot away from her?

2) What are your thoughts on Dag?

3) Did the scum put more than one teammate on their list of Kash, Rich, and FF?

I feel Kash was going for the win, everyone was on me. she was hoping a final push would persuade you to hit me. Thus sealing the win for the mafia.



I have not seen enough to get a feel for him. He posts little so I do not know what to think of him at this point.

Here Rich answers #1 and #2. He misquotes the post with #3 and puts his answer for #2 below it...

How does that second part answer Chills question?



Chill was asking how likely do you think scum would put MORE THEN ONE on their list. Not what you thought of them.

FF jumps on the mistake. At this point he hasn't answered any of the questions but #2 in which he hasn't put Dag on his list and possibly #1 since he thinks Rich is scum. BUT he never answered #3, the one that Rich didn't either.

I was answering the question about Dag.

Rich explains.

Where was there a question about dag in that second post? (just wonderin)

FF rebuttals.

It was in the first one. I meant to answer both in the post but I got confused.

Rich further explains.

Actaully he was answering my question about Dag and yes I'm ok with an "I don't know" as an answer it it's the truth it certainly preferable to a pile of BS.

More to the point have you answered the question you're asking Rich about?

Here's Chill's response to what FF said about Rich.

Oh, ok.



Yes, im pretty sure i did:



Yet, anyway. If he does do something scummy, and i notice, i'll tell ya.

FF's response is that he answered about Dag. Funny because that is NOT the question Chill was referring to and the fact of the matter is FF jumped on Rich for not answering a question that, AFAIK, he himself has yet to answer.
 
I feel a good ol' color coded list is in order...

JB-2
FF-2
Hay-3
Dag-4

JS -5
Rich-6
LG-6

Tay-7
Chill-10
Ice-10
Pap-10


I have no idea what the colors actually mean but I think they look pretty...the numbers are significant, however.
 
Ok Dag, you were the first to post about it possibly being a "set up". Can you tell me how this would set up her team for the win? Why would see go for the set up...when she could go for the win?


This was to Pap asking why you can't let the Ice/LG distancing go. You do realize I wasn't the only person seeing Ice as mafia at one point. How did this make me more likely scum?


You are really pushing for the she was setting her team up for the win thing...please explain how it would set them up for the win.

The reason I think Kashta would have gone for a setup really boils down to the first hours that Chill had the gun:

wish I had time to catch up seeing as how Wiz just shot me I guess I have 48 hours - Kash can you refresh my memory on which game it was where I was evil that I hit Wiz Day 1? I mean you're probably my shot but I'd like to know if it was an honest mistake?
Sorry to see you go Wiz.

Ok Kash obviously I have an over riding desire to shoot you and move on but I like to think I'm a little more reasonable than that. When I look at this and the next long post as well - Wiz's "if you pull enough posts you can make anyone look scummy" comes to mind. Was that your plan here?

You make a big deal out of my question about who had a good track record of fooling Wiz but insert a lot of other stuff in between before getting to the fact that I revised my question some 15 minutes later. Why seperate the two ideas? Was it less convincing with the revision too close to the original question? Do you really believe I would float out an idea and then do a complete 360 before it even had a chance to work?

As to the middle stuff you say I might be taking advantage of Ice's posts but none of your pulled posts show me following Ice in fact they read Ice agrees and Ice followed. Not the meticilious logic I'd expect from you. Did you believe what you were posting or were you just building a case on an innocent?

Nevermind the whole OMGUS component. I say I would shoot you and you say you would shoot me?

Overall you seem very much off your game to me. Can you offer up anything here to change my mind?

In three hours after becoming the gunslinger Chill stated twice that he most likely intends to shoot Kashta. Now if you were in Kashta's and her scummate's position would you take it seriously if the GS said twice that he most likely will shoot you? Personally I would take it very serious and then I would come up with a plan to help my team as best I can with my death. A few of you have thrown around the number of like 95% chance to get shot and 5% chance of getting the win. I believe that everyone agrees that Kashta is a methodical and logical player when it comes to these games. How logical does it sound to go for a 1 in 20 chance to win versus a 19 in 20 chance to implicate your whole team and get them killed right after you? Logically I can't see any reason that someone would go with a 5% chance to win and risk a 95% chance to essentially lose the game.

Now if you couple that with what comes out in the next few hours after Kashta's death:

OK I think I am wrong about LG and Tay, that was pretty intense.

Here is Kashs suspect list

I'd bet one of dag ff or JS is evil just in case Chill didn't shoot her.

At the time I just didn't have any feeling about him. Jpap asked him a good question in post 745 and though he hasn't answered it was a really good point.

So Hay thinks the mistake is being over reacted too and names Rich and JS as suspects

Not sure how JB could forget the mind meld he had with Tay.

JB thinks we are over reacting on Kash also

Is it to big a case against Rich? I thought so at 1st read but she tries to link him to FF JS LG as possible teamates.

If you believe me and Jpap are innocent and can believe the people she named are innocent that leaves:

As my suspect list.

JB
Hay
Dag
Rich

Ok, back from the store.

I know my suspicions on Dag don't come with a strong case at all but there isn't a whole lot to work with from him.

I do think that FF has been reeled in this game and that alone is of high suspicion. I didn't think a whole lot about it until finding out that school for him hasn't started yet. Wasn't he very eager to get this game started? We should know by now that a eager FF is not a quiet FF. Has the scum been throwing his name out there as a suspect because they are weighing in the thought that the town doesn't really want to risk putting the gun in his hands? Sorry FF, but we all have our playstyles and your loveable wackiness is something we are all accustomed to.

My last scum pick is a toss up between Jspigs and Haydn. It's easy to hide as scum when a new player. Neither have been very clear with their posts and Jspigs never knew what his opinion actually was at times. By the time Haydn gets time to post there is normally a lot that's been said, and though I know it can be overwhelming, he never has a whole lot to comment.

For now I am going to trust in Ice and not that it clears Pappy, but I also have a gut feeling he is innocent. LG hasn't struck me as scummy either.

So that brings my short list to:

JB
Dag
FF
Jspigs/Haydn

If I missed anyone to comment on, please let me know.

Looking at who is still in the game...
FF
Ice
Pap
Hay
Tay
Rich
JB
Dag
G
JS
Chill=slinger

Taking Chill out as we know he is innocent, assuming Ice is innocent, I personally am not willing to make that Pap is innocent so that would leave us with 9 ppl left.

Knowing Kash was mafia, I really think I have to lower Rich and Tay...I feel that was just to much for distancing of course I could be wrong but I really can't see it when looking back at things.

Leaving, FF, Pap, Hay, JB, Dag, JS I really believe our 4 remaining mafia are in that group of names. Unless of course Pap is mafia, in which case Ice's name needs to go right back in there with the rest.

I really find it hard to believe that the three of you basically come to the same list and believe that Kashta would go for a 1 in 20 chance to win and screw her team over like that. I really am thinking that Ice is innocent at this point but the fact that Lady G and Tay chime in after him and state basically the same list really makes me question it. I don't know how else to describe it but it seems like a scum plan to me.
 
Not sure what I want to ask today but let's start with this:

I know some of you had commented on this all ready but for those who didn't Do you think Kash was going all out for the win or was she trying to ensure the team win by building some cred for her team?

I also don't have a read on Dag. If memory serves I only played with him twice and both times I read him wrong, so if anyone has any thoughts on Dag so far this game can you post them? Sorry Dag not picking on you just trying to be thorough.

Read my above post for my thoughts on why she went to set up her team.
 
I still do not see the point of setting anything up. If I was scum I would be high on the suspect list, how does that help the mafia team out? She was trying to get me killed instead of her to win the game.

Aside from the fact that like 4 people went from Rich is likely scum to kashta was trying to get rich killed he must be innocent in the last day I don't know. Other than to make her teammates looks innocent I can't see the point of not going for the win..... But hey that's just me, I don't like to bet on the 5% odds.
 
Dag, you're conveniently forgetting a couple of quotes from yesterday, before Chill shot Kash.

You know what Kash if it was an honest mistake when the dust clears and that's evident then I won't blame you. Mistakes happen, we're all human, but it's hard to give someone the benefit of the doubt in the game because what may be an honest mistake may just as likely be an attempt to mislead.

The problem I have with your explanation is it doesn't match my recollection of the game. Granted I don't keep spreadsheets but for the most part I keep track all right. By my recollection of that game you were a woMan at Arms and kept playing after death (even ghost posting). So I'm pretty sure you did keep track after you were kiled off.

Having said that town. I'm still not 100% certain on Kash and none of the rest of you should sit back and let this play out either. This is our last kick at the cat so go back through and look for anything that might help.

At this point I'm strongly considering Kash but there are considerations that are causing me some doubt.

Any all help would be greatly appreciated.

Yeah I got to bail too, and unfortuanately I'm by no mean sure of my shot. My inital gut was on Kash and it had nothing to do with her post about me. If anything that post is one of the main sources of my hesitation. I also have some other rather pressing matters closing in on me in real life so.....

Chill was still hesitant to shoot Kash...all she had to do was plant a seed of doubt in his head and it would be game over.

Maybe Kash was 95% certain that she would have been shot, but at the same time she left every innocent doubting her motives.
 
Dag, you're conveniently forgetting a couple of quotes from yesterday, before Chill shot Kash.

Chill was still hesitant to shoot Kash...all she had to do was plant a seed of doubt in his head and it would be game over.

Maybe Kash was 95% certain that she would have been shot, but at the same time she left every innocent doubting her motives.

Do you really expect Kashta to outline her scum motives to the town? All those posts that you outlined from Chill said the same thing he said right after he got the gun, he's most likely going to shoot Kashta but he wasn't 100% sure at the time.
 
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