I'm just now getting a chance to read through since nightfall and some of the stuff I pulled to comment on has been addressed, but I may still comment on some of it to put my thoughts out there.
First of all, I find myself agreeing that DD's vote really really sticks out. While I definitely do not give any noob passes, by the end of the day AAF seemed much more likely to be a confused noob than coached scum. When he declared that a tie results in no lynch I almost moved my vote to him, figuring those in the scum den had asked and FF had told them, but when FF said in the thread that a tie results in a coin toss I decided it was more likely AAF was clueless. DD, I was surprised you did not pick up on that.
I assume you were referring to me. See my response above as to why I questioned him but did not vote for him.
Also, I have no clue what you're saying here. I think it was blatantly obvious he had no clue and never read through a full game. Did you miss how he was wrong about what happens in the event of a lynch? Did that not make you lower your suspicions?
I have no problem questioning or voting for a noob, but I do try to sort out inexperience vs. scumminess. At the end of the day, AAF was much more inexperience than scum in my eyes.
Why would folks not be suspicious of a day 1 vote? All votes matter.
LG, why are you defending NPR like that? My thoughts on that whole exchange and "tank" thing were scarily similar to Zaffy's. He seemed quite anti-tank to me, but with his later explanation of how he uses the word "tank" I didn't feel the need to comment on it.
Speaking of not drawing attention to themselves, GSM, do you have anything to add? Also, have you played before or is this your first game?
First of all, I find myself agreeing that DD's vote really really sticks out. While I definitely do not give any noob passes, by the end of the day AAF seemed much more likely to be a confused noob than coached scum. When he declared that a tie results in no lynch I almost moved my vote to him, figuring those in the scum den had asked and FF had told them, but when FF said in the thread that a tie results in a coin toss I decided it was more likely AAF was clueless. DD, I was surprised you did not pick up on that.
It's very frustrating for me to play with new people who have no clue. I would bet one of my fish tanks that AAF didn't really read a game, prob just opened a thread, read a couple of posts, then called it done. Some of the questions he asked were very basic things that someone would know if they had read any game. Not to mention, I didn't trust him, it wasn't until FF revealed the tie would result in a coin flip lynch that my suspicions dropped a good bit. That is also why I questioned him like I did before that point.
While I agree people need to talk to get anywhere, the statement I bolded is a pretty pessimistic thought for only being day 2.
I assume you were referring to me. See my response above as to why I questioned him but did not vote for him.
I agreed with Zaffy here. LG, it does seem like you knew he'd show townie. How were you so sure he was just a noob? Noobs can be scum.
This confused me until I read the later explanation about video game tanks.
NPR, what would lead you to believe the good guys would get an investigation before the first nightfall? I don't think I've ever played a game where the good guys got an invest before the first nightfall.
Can you explain the blatantly obvious scum part to me?
Also, I have no clue what you're saying here. I think it was blatantly obvious he had no clue and never read through a full game. Did you miss how he was wrong about what happens in the event of a lynch? Did that not make you lower your suspicions?
I have no problem questioning or voting for a noob, but I do try to sort out inexperience vs. scumminess. At the end of the day, AAF was much more inexperience than scum in my eyes.
Why would folks not be suspicious of a day 1 vote? All votes matter.
I didn't see any sort of twisting there G. Not sure what you're trying to call twisting.Your post seem to be trying to make it look like something it is not to me Zaff. I never said I thought or knew he would be innocent, I said I thought it was pretty interesting the way some seemed to jump on a newb, on day one like they did. Nice try at twisting my post there
Where do you get he is anti tank from that Zaff?
Didn't you just say that everyone is tank? Now you are twisting again? Are you purposely trying to confuse Ninja and get him acting silly trying to figure out which way you are coming from...looks like you are trying to make a easy target out of someone.
LG, why are you defending NPR like that? My thoughts on that whole exchange and "tank" thing were scarily similar to Zaffy's. He seemed quite anti-tank to me, but with his later explanation of how he uses the word "tank" I didn't feel the need to comment on it.
How would Zaffy be able to call someone a PR since there have been no invests prior to nightfall?
DD, those things all point to someone who has no clue what is going on. It could be coached, but the longer the day went on, the more it appeared he just didn't know what was going on. If he had been scum and had a vet coaching him, it's much more likely the vet would have told him to stfu and stop drawing attention to himself. I can't imagine anyone letting him go on like that.
Speaking of not drawing attention to themselves, GSM, do you have anything to add? Also, have you played before or is this your first game?
