Mafia 94: When Gingers Attack; the play

[Lady G]

Hopefully what I posted today answers you concerns.

I really think you and G are making a mountain out of nothing. Is this subject getting us anywhere? 3, 4 who cares...oh yea, you and G do!

Yes, yes I do actually care how many evils there are.

The syrum not being used. Suppose you give me your thoughts on why you think it wasn't used.

Bold Statment !?!?!? I'm posting what I'm thinking. Is your real problem that you are on the list?

True, but then why not use the syrum. I can see them saving it to go after another PR, but not if they had any chance of losing a player on a late vote switch.

Lets just call it a top 5 for now.

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Jessica Rabbit: got a hold of a vial of cartoon syrum. It’s rumored that this syrum can turn anyone into a ginger. The downside is if it doesn’t work, it will kill you and you’ll die a 1980’s cartoon version of yourself. (50/50 turn kill, useable once). If used on a townie PR, it’s an automatic kill.

Nightime occurrences:

Lynch
Protection
Townie hit
Ginger hit/Jessica’s vial
Investigations

Please let me know if I've missed anything else...

A very good reason they may not of used it if one of there own was up for the lynch...it isn't a for sure thing only 50/50...if it doesn't work they die...why would they chance loosing two?
Relooking at it, I have to change my mind of the fact they would wait till they found a PR..since if it is used on a PR it kills them instead of turns them from what it looks like to me (which yes, killing a PR is a good thing for them) but why waste a chance for a turn to kill someone you could just hit, but if you look at the nightly events..they can either use the syrum OR their hit..I don't think they get both in one night.
Since you brought this whole syrum thing up 2H..I assume you read the role pretty good...how did you miss that? Were you hoping no one would catch those two important details and just blindly follow with your "No one voted for was evil" theory?

I thought it would be announced during night but you do have a point. Maybe it is like invests or protection, they just happen without any details to the town?

Most of the time, yes it is announced..and I assume it would be, if it worked...but there have been games where things like that were not mentioned if it didn't work We need to see what JB say's

 

[allaboutfish]

i find it weird that 2H said the numbers of mafia members dont matter. why wouldnt they matter? it matters if we win or lose doesnt it? well the number of mafia influences that alot doesnt it? can you explain why you think the number of mafia doesnt matter?

 

[RazzleFish]

Yes, yes I do actually care how many evils there are.




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A very good reason they may not of used it if one of there own was up for the lynch...it isn't a for sure thing only 50/50...if it doesn't work they die...why would they chance loosing two?
Relooking at it, I have to change my mind of the fact they would wait till they found a PR..since if it is used on a PR it kills them instead of turns them from what it looks like to me (which yes, killing a PR is a good thing for them) but why waste a chance for a turn to kill someone you could just hit, but if you look at the nightly events..they can either use the syrum OR their hit..I don't think they get both in one night.
Since you brought this whole syrum thing up 2H..I assume you read the role pretty good...how did you miss that? Were you hoping no one would catch those two important details and just blindly follow with your "No one voted for was evil" theory?


Most of the time, yes it is announced..and I assume it would be, if it worked...but there have been games where things like that were not mentioned if it didn't work We need to see what JB say's

How would they loose two?

 

[Lady G]

How would they loose two?

Well, if one was up for the lynch and they used it and it didn't work, they would not get the turn AND from the way I am reading it the one who used it would die also. So they would loose the one lynched and the one who used the syrum.

 

[jbradt]

I will tell you if the vial is used.

 

[Lady G]

I will tell you if the vial is used.

Thanks JB

There you go...it was not used.

 

[Lab_Rat]

The one thing that sticks in my head though, is how everyone keeps saying that Pir is playing like he normally does.

Let me ask this, how long has he been playing? How long before someone states that he has enough experience and it is time he upped his game? I have let AAF slide on some of his posts because I know this is only his second game.

I will not let someone who has played as many games as Pir slide.

Step up your game Pir You know how it is played by now. let's see something.

I fully agree with you on that type of play getting old, but I felt I had a stronger suspect with Plant or Kash. If I'd kept my vote on Pir it would have been because I was annoyed with his play, not because he was my best suspect. In hindsight I should have kept my vote on him.

Look at anyone you want. After giving it some more thought. I believe everyone voted for an innocent last night. I don't think there was a "ginger" on the board anywhere.

This is an extremely bold statement. I have no idea how you can come to this conclusion so early in the game.

Not sure he was the greatest threat. Possible someone had a hint/feeling he was a PR?

Interesting. I didn't pick up on anything in his play that would say PR. Did you see something that made you think he was a PR?

Your right Jpap. I made that post after quickly looking at nightfall, and being very surprised that the cartoon syrum wasn't used. After looking over nightfall this morning I'm thinking everyone up was innocent. That makes this the list

Razzlefish
Dangerdoll
Allaboutfish
Jpappy
Lady G
Rich 311k
Wizzard

From that list I'm going to remove Allaboutfish, and Rich. AAF I'll still give more time, and Rich because If I'm right there would be no reason to risk a late vote move like he did.

I can't say I'm leaning anyone on that list towards innocent. Your reasoning mystifies me. I understand they didn't use the serum but I don't see how that clears those on your list.

Who's to say that the gingers are waiting to use the syrum on a townie PR? Why waste the syrum on Day 1 when there is not a very big chance of hitting a PR when they could wait and have a better guess later on? They also have investigations so they could be waiting for those results before using it.

I feel that saying everyone up for a test last night was innocent is a bold statement. I have no problem at all being on your list. IMO it's a weak case and with so many people on the list, I would actually have a problem not being on the list.

Why would they aim for a PR with the serum? Makes more sense to avoid a PR with the serum so they have the chance to turn someone. That ups their numbers while dropping townie numbers. They can take out PRs with hits. I do not understand where you are coming from with that statement Razz.

A very good reason they may not of used it if one of there own was up for the lynch...it isn't a for sure thing only 50/50...if it doesn't work they die...why would they chance loosing two?
Relooking at it, I have to change my mind of the fact they would wait till they found a PR..since if it is used on a PR it kills them instead of turns them from what it looks like to me (which yes, killing a PR is a good thing for them) but why waste a chance for a turn to kill someone you could just hit, but if you look at the nightly events..they can either use the syrum OR their hit..I don't think they get both in one night.
Since you brought this whole syrum thing up 2H..I assume you read the role pretty good...how did you miss that? Were you hoping no one would catch those two important details and just blindly follow with your "No one voted for was evil" theory?


Most of the time, yes it is announced..and I assume it would be, if it worked...but there have been games where things like that were not mentioned if it didn't work We need to see what JB say's

I have to admit I missed the part about the chance of it killing Jessica Rabbit. I was thinking it was 50/50 turn/kill for whoever it was used on. I couldn't figure out what a cartoon townie would look like. :duh: I need to get more sleep...

 

[Lady G]

Well, if one was up for the lynch and they used it and it didn't work, they would not get the turn AND from the way I am reading it the one who used it would die also. So they would loose the one lynched and the one who used the syrum.

This is if it didn't work...IMO a very good reason NOT to use it when one is up for a lynch.

 

[Piranha86]

I see what you meant now...commentary. Well Rich's vote speaks for itself. He was the kill vote on Plant due to the coin toss. Your vote makes you look real good if Pir turns up as scum.

What if Pir doesn't turn up as scum???

I'm off to an AP summer class, I may or may not be on tonight.

 

[Lady G]

I have to admit I missed the part about the chance of it killing Jessica Rabbit. I was thinking it was 50/50 turn/kill for whoever it was used on. I couldn't figure out what a cartoon townie would look like. :duh: I need to get more sleep...

I actually missed it too, until 2H brought it up, then used it to "clear" all that had votes on them, when I re read it I realized that part.