Mafia #98: The Grinch Returns -- The Play

[jpappy789]

It is the only logical conclusion given the rules and the circumstances.

Bally was Pap confirming my thoughts a few minutes later suspicious too?

I'm curious as to Bally's response. I honestly don't see what was so hard to gather about the shot being from the scum and most people seemed to grasp that right away...the "rest of the town" (excluding Rich) was not confused at all.

 

[IceH2O]

K my son let me skim through real quick and I don't see anything other then what I've commented on that bothers me. I'll need more info/answers to questions (mine and others) before I place my vote.

 

[Fishfriend1]

My Stuff in read. Ice's in black.

I will explain why I voted 2H though you pulled my post which explains it then you twisted it to say I voted for the same reason as DD.

I voted 2H because it seemed like he was trying to get Rich lynched by putting it out that he is hard to read. Why mention that fact and vote it unless you are hoping others follow? No way in hell the same reasoning as DD who voted for making her look to see if unlynchable was a word. Sorry but putting out feelers for votes to get a good player lynched is more worthy then any other singleton joke votes I had seen.

Okay, I can see where I got that bit screwed up.

Now for your crazy theory.

Number 1 my post was posted 4 minutes after Dawgs, so I didn't know he had voted Dun. But lets just say I did. Why go to 2H? I could have voted UN and put him ahead instead of pushing a tie. You say Pappy isn't on your list but you have your facts wrong there too. Pappys vote put 2H in the lead and Rich tied it back up. You have it backwards.
Answer me this also, why would us 3 if we were all evil need to vote 2H to save Dun? Wouldn't it be more proactive for us to pile on Kash or Dawg or someone that is harder to fool? I like that you are putting thoughts out there but I just wanted to show your holes.

I don't have it mixed up, you do. Dawg voted, then you voted. Pappy just sorta dropped it, FWIS. Then Rich tied it up again, but a tie could be undone by a single vote from Dun. Then, however, UN voted Dun, so Wiz came in to re-tie it up, and then Dun switched, thus ensuring his survival.

As for why not pile on Kash or Dawg? Because there was no way you could have gotten them lynched. 2H already had some understandably questionable things stated, at that time I see nothing that would set Kash or Dawg out. Plus, most of the other players could defend themselves against such an action. Basically, you had a choice of UN or 2H for an easy target. Why 2H, I dunno, random pick? Either way it would have been an innocent killed (assuming that UN is also innocent).

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And that is my response. My idea is rather far fetched, but if it's right... well, cool. Will continue to read now.

 

[Fishfriend1]

My bad, I forgot all about the votes on UN as I was just answering to FFs theory.

I find it interesting though that FF also left out UNs voters. FF why is that? Does Kash putting UN into the lead over 2H and Dun not mean anything?


I'm going to retract my vote on UN

Think I need to reread and look with a more open mind.

TBH, I forgot UN's votes too. However, it does reinforce my theory there. My vote isn't going anywhere soon.

Are you talking about me or Dun trying to put you in the spotlight?

Well, it could go for both of you, but I was talking about Dun.

 

[jpappy789]

TBH, I forgot UN's votes too. However, it does reinforce my theory there. My vote isn't going anywhere soon.



Well, it could go for both of you, but I was talking about Dun.

I'm confused, how does that reinforce your theory?

 

[Ballyhoo]

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Bally, where is this confusion over who put the hit on DD? I don't see it. I thought it was pretty obvious that it was the scum based on the write up and the fact that only one hit was used and it was D1. ...

Here are the quotes I pulled showing where no one seems to know exactly what happened, imo that is confusion.

That's an interesting reason to vote...almost too far fetched.

The write up mentions evil lurking, so I assume it was the scum hit which means DD was probably the NC evil elf.

"a dangerous snowball" i assume that means only one. or am i missing something? that and the "evil lurking" definitely suggests a great present to the townies from the evil elves. i'll take what we can get, though.

I agree, doesn't Frostly also throw a snowball, not an icicle?

From running this setup in the past it should be only one shot for Frosty.

thanks for clarifying, pap. that's what i thought, but don't want to assume.

assume assume assume in this game something is or it isn't and there is no way to know for sure unless it is directly stated from the moderator whos hit it was.

Pap I find it interesting that you say there is no confusion on who put in the hit, yet you were one of the first to "assume" it was by an evil and then try to spin it on me that I'm the only one confused.

Bally was Pap confirming my thoughts a few minutes later suspicious too?

Yes, considering he could only "assume" it was the scum hit and then turns it around saying im the only one who is unsure.

 

[IceH2O]

It's slow because I'm not here to make things interesting.



So wait... are you saying I'm innocent or evil?



I think it looks like a snowflake. Can I have my cookie now?

Question FF.... at this post UN was in the lead 3-2-2 over Dun and 2H. How come at this point didn't you voice your displeasure at the votes on 2H? Is it because you were ok with UN being lynched?

 

[jpappy789]

Here are the quotes I pulled showing where no one seems to know exactly what happened, imo that is confusion.








assume assume assume in this game something is or it isn't and there is no way to know for sure unless it is directly stated from the moderator whos hit it was.

Pap I find it interesting that you say there is no confusion on who put in the hit, yet you were one of the first to "assume" it was by an evil and then try to spin it on me that I'm the only one confused.


Yes, considering he could only "assume" it was the scum hit and then turns it around saying im the only one who is unsure.

Semantics. Obviously we can't know for sure but all signs point to it being a scum hit and I thought it was made fairly certain that was the case. I wasn't confused in the slightest and I got no indication that most others felt any differently about it being a scum hit.

And those last posts you pulled are posts that had nothing to do with the hit itself. Dun was asking if Frosty only has one hit, to which I responded. Lab has yet to clarified but she is running almost the EXACT same setup I ran, I think, just last year. As I said Frosty should have just one hit as it is a vigilante-like role.

Do you honestly think Frosty took that shot?

 

[dundadundun]

keep in mind, townies...

The Grinch...
He is in control of evil elves and is currently in communication with all but one of them.
The evil elves can hit one townsperson per night.

seems they've already hit that one. this means they're all in communication at this point. the only exception would be jack frost since his nip can be misplaced.

don't fall for the propaganda, guys.

 

[dundadundun]

Now, look a the votes. DD goes first, then Ice ties it up with Dun again, then later Wiz ties it with Dun again. Seems to me like they either really wanted 2H out or 2 of them are evil. IMHO, Ice and Wiz are more likely evil, with Dun as the third CE. That would explain why Wiz and Ice wanted Dun not to get lynched. They and DD all tied it up with votes on Dun. The reason Pappy isn't on my evil list is because Pappy voted before Rich, so it would have kept the tie, thus not needing a vote on 2H to save Dun. Naturally, Dun would save himself, so as long as there was a tie he was safe. While this is a somewhat unlikely story, it could be explained if Dun is, say, the Grinch. Needless to say, I think that all three of them are the remaining evils.

On that note, I vote to lynch Dun.

if anyone believed you, the town would be in big trouble. that's why you'll likely not get my vote for another nightfall, but you've got me convinced now... especially when looking at the timing when you posted you'd be busy for the weekend. one post on the first day, then 24hours later saying you wouldn't be on for the weekend... and you almost completely stuck to that vice one other post. that's way out of the norm for you when you're innocent... especially after being accused. the fact that you voted your accuser is neither here nor there, but you definitely seem coached to me.