Mafia #98: The Grinch Returns -- The Play

[dundadundun]

what does it matter who's innocent in a completely random choice? explain please.

please explain.

One more question for you Dun....before you moved your vote to 2H, did you feel he was evil or was it a move ONLY to save yourself?

as i stated before... only to save myself. we need as many innocents as possible per the rules. not knowing anyone's role, i can't assume anyone i'm tied with for a lynch is innocent and willing to save the town.

 

[Lady G]

what does it matter who's innocent in a completely random choice? explain please.

It matters because unless your evil, you have no idea who is innocent, aside from yourself

 

[dundadundun]

i'm looking like an easy target again, it seems. maybe someone grilling me will be willing to answer some of my questions some time? i've answered every question thus far over something painstakingly obvious in my opinion... evidenced by the fact that this game definitely looks like a game of dun vs. ..............

 

[jpappy789]

No I do not think Frosty took that shot, What I'm saying is that I had to go back and check the roles and order of events after nightfall then re read the post again. Frostys hit is before the Grinches in order of events and I had read the hit post before Lab posted GAME ON so I wasn't sure what it was until after that. Perhaps Rich just reads faster than I do and was able to check the order of events before I did. All I was saying is that it is notable and worth keeping an eye on, which I did and I agree you are right that it was the Grinches hit and I was wrong to think other wise.

The point of highlighting the word assume was to show that in this game no one truly knows anything and why I had used the word confused.

Now you are changing it from the town was confused to just you were confused. It was already pointed out that most people understood pretty much right away that it was the scum hit and it still does not explain why you singled out Rich as if he was the only one who thought that way.

I'm not sure you were reading to much into it Wizard, I agree with you. Of course I have no idea if it is right, it's hard to try and figure things out on a day one vote but when it is in a 3 way tie, and continues between the same three over and over it does tend to make you wonder.

Whew, boy...do I feel your pain there!!


I'm not sure they wouldn't benefit from it, the confusion factor sure is a nice "benefit" and also there is always the possibility one of the three has a important role to them.

I don't think spreading out the votes helps the scum all that much N1 when there was still a NC scum out there. Statistically having a three way tie increases the likelihood that their teammate is lynched. Now obviously knowing that it was DD makes it not matter but at the time they wouldn't have known. Not to mention the first day of the game is certainly confusing enough and I hardly doubt they could have keyed in on any roles by the times votes were placed...

i think we really need to start looking at who voted 2h and why at this point. let's see...

going by the rules, DD being hit would suggest she was the non-communicating elf and i had no choice but to switch my vote to save me own behind last minute. i'm thinking one way or another, someone who voted UN had to know they were voting someone who wasn't communicating scum. ice tied up the votes, wiz tied up the votes, but pappy happened to vote to put 2h in the lead. does this indicate anything? i dunno... but it's worthy of a look in my book.

For the SECOND time I voted 2H which tied him with UN. And are you suggesting UN is another NC scum (not possible) or innocent? Those are the only other options and I question how you would know that he isn't communicating.

 

[jpappy789]

Wait so are you saying that someone voting 2H knew he wasn't communicating scum? Well, obviously if scum voted 2H they knew that but no townies would have known at that point. I don't get what your point is...

 

[dundadundun]

UN and Dun both moved to save themselves from the look of it, which of course leaves the question why not if innocent let the tie go and take your chance, or did they REALLY think the person they switched to was evil

It matters because unless your evil, you have no idea who is innocent, aside from yourself

so... if the opposition happens to be one way or the other, i should allow myself to be lynched on a coin toss? explain how this makes any sense, please.

 

[dundadundun]

Wait so are you saying that someone voting 2H knew he wasn't communicating scum? Well, obviously if scum voted 2H they knew that but no townies would have known at that point. I don't get what your point is...

how can you blindly state my point, but not know what it is?

 

[Lady G]

please explain.

as i stated before... only to save myself. we need as many innocents as possible per the rules. not knowing anyone's role, i can't assume anyone i'm tied with for a lynch is innocent and willing to save the town.

That is what I have a problem with, if you really didn't see 2H as scum why move to him, there are many playing anymore that really don't see the problem, but no one besides you (if your innocent) knows your role...by moving to someone you do not see as scum, just to save yourself, leaves doubt and questions of your true reason to "save" yourself

 

[jpappy789]

how can you blindly state my point, but not know what it is?

So your point is that scum voted 2H? That's all I wanted to know.

 

[dundadundun]

For the SECOND time I voted 2H which tied him with UN. And are you suggesting UN is another NC scum (not possible) or innocent? Those are the only other options and I question how you would know that he isn't communicating.

you're twisting things again, pap. i already stated i made mistakes in that post... prior to your post quoting it.