Mafia #98: The Grinch Returns -- The Play

Here is the order of quotes that talk about the nightfall. Rich is the first to comment, brings up that the scum are annoyed with themselves, or frosty made a good shot. So I suppose he was as "confused" as I was.














No one seemed to know until Pap stepped in and clarified things from when he ran the set up.

It doesn't look like Rich was confused really at all. When I brought up the death post he said he just wanted to cover the possibilities. Seems to me he just didn't want to discount the fact that Frosty COULD have taken the shot but was pretty sure it was the evils.

To the bold: The subsequent posts have to do with the nature of the Frosty role, not the hit itself. Dun just wanted to know if Frosty had one shot...not if he/she took the shot. He even mentioned the "evil lurking" pointed to the scum.

Bally, you skipped the above post that was made 3 minutes after Rich's post. "Nice shot! LOL" was in response to LR posting DD was an evil elf. What do you think the LOL means? Should we ask JP? Personally when I read it it struck me as laughing at the scum for taking out one of their own.

Correctamundo.

YEp, that's what I assume too (a "special" role) wish there was something saying what the "special roles" do, or can do so we knew what to expect happen.


I hope so too Dawg, I don't quite understand why they would use it on night two...but hopefully it was someone good at reading others and they knew what they were doing!

I actually am more interested in seeing what we KNOW from these nightfall votes. Who voted side by side really means nothing to me at this point as it would of been easy for evil to hide in any votes because of the way things played out and I don't think they would vote together at this point with so many options.
Night one-
Votes for 2H=2H (5) - DD (#73), Ice (#89), Pappy (#96), Wiz (#116), Dun (#132)
So we know Doll was NC evil, Ice and Dun were both innocent. That leaves Pap and Wizard to be possible evils on 2H...Pap tied it between UN and 2H, we know 2H but not UN at this point, when Wizard voted his vote ties it between 2H and Dun...both of which were innocents either of these votes (if UN is innocent would be a great place for evil to be) and not really get called out to much for the vote if the person ends up lynched.
We know no ones role that was on Dun or UN at this point, but either one would of been a "safe" place to vote.

Night two-
Dun-(6)-FF (#176), Ice (#238), UN (#280), LG (#300), Dawg (#304), Pappy (#321)
The only thing we know for sure on this is Ice was innocent, and Dun voted Pap...but I think that was more out of frustration then anything so not putting alot of weight on that. What does interest me though, Pap why did you wait so long to vote Dun, you had been drilling him all day (along with myself), but you waited till the very end to vote him, even after calling him out for not voting his highest suspect.
I also would like to add to Kash, night one you "weighed" all your options for your vote, now I know you are busy and working so going through all the posts may not of been able to happen, but did you even look for the vote count this night? I'm asking because it "appeared" so important to you night one

I was between Dun and Bally and I couldn't pick which one I thought was more scummy. Bally was jumping every which way while Dun was still sticking to his guns, despite the questionable nature of his posts. I questioned the two of them throughout the day but eventually I went back to look at the posts and realized Dun had a pretty substantial lead. So a vote on Bally really became out of the question anyways. I felt my vote was best just putting the nail in the coffin for Dun. I'll stand by my questioning and my subsequent vote though.
 
Ooops, to LG's first post I wanted to say that I went back and checked my roles and the only one for the innocents' that would make sense is this...

Sugarplum Mary- if given to an evil elf they are no longer in communication

But no mention of "sugar cookies" in my notes. Also Lab could have easily changed those around.
 
It doesn't look like Rich was confused really at all. When I brought up the death post he said he just wanted to cover the possibilities. Seems to me he just didn't want to discount the fact that Frosty COULD have taken the shot but was pretty sure it was the evils.

To the bold: The subsequent posts have to do with the nature of the Frosty role, not the hit itself. Dun just wanted to know if Frosty had one shot...not if he/she took the shot. He even mentioned the "evil lurking" pointed to the scum.



Correctamundo.





I was between Dun and Bally and I couldn't pick which one I thought was more scummy. Bally was jumping every which way while Dun was still sticking to his guns, despite the questionable nature of his posts. I questioned the two of them throughout the day but eventually I went back to look at the posts and realized Dun had a pretty substantial lead. So a vote on Bally really became out of the question anyways. I felt my vote was best just putting the nail in the coffin for Dun. I'll stand by my questioning and my subsequent vote though.
Ok, I can see that, although I'm not as convinced Bally's post point to evil, as I have seen her lynched several times as an innocent for this exact thing, of coarse there have been times it happened while evil also, so to me this is more a "bally thing" then a "evil tell".

Ooops, to LG's first post I wanted to say that I went back and checked my roles and the only one for the innocents' that would make sense is this...

Sugarplum Mary- if given to an evil elf they are no longer in communication

But no mention of "sugar cookies" in my notes. Also Lab could have easily changed those around.
Ah, thank you. Yeah we don't know what Labby did with the "special roles"..hopefully NONE change a player from good to evil. I'm wondering if it is more a "invest" kind of thing, since it says "to help them along"
 
wiz, i also find it interesting that you singling out LG. it seems like your trying to get people to jump on her and forget that jpap is doing the same thing. kind of makes me think of scum protecting a team mate. so wiz why are you singling out LG and not even bringing up jpap?
That is possible of course, my only problem with that thought is I'm not sure Wiz would be so open to "protecting" one of his own if evil. I could however see him singling me out while trying to get on Paps "fuzzy" side, then once I'm lynched coming back with "oh, sorry I was wrong about LG, Pap must be the evil of the two" trying to get others to go after Pap (if he is innocent). Although, it IS possible they are both innocent and Wiz really does think he see's something in me (he's been known to do that ALOT, when it comes to me).
 
Other roles included players who knew who one of the PRs were and stuff like that...
That is what I was thinking the roles would be, something that gives them a piece of information. Would be nice, if the cookies are the same as SugarPlum Mary and they were correct in their guess causing a evil to not be able to communicate!!
 
That is what I was thinking the roles would be, something that gives them a piece of information. Would be nice, if the cookies are the same as SugarPlum Mary and they were correct in their guess causing a evil to not be able to communicate!!

Yep, but it's hard to know whether Lab kept those same roles (I don't remember if I ended up revealing them and the end or not) or decided to be creative and make her own. We just have to hope that it somehow hurt the scum, or at the very least didn't help them...
 
Yep, but it's hard to know whether Lab kept those same roles (I don't remember if I ended up revealing them and the end or not) or decided to be creative and make her own. We just have to hope that it somehow hurt the scum, or at the very least didn't help them...
Agreed!
 
I'm going to do a reread when I finish my school day tonight, so around 3-4pm est.

I switched time zones but I think that this time period has almost passed. Anything come of this reread, FF?
 
I switched time zones but I think that this time period has almost passed. Anything come of this reread, FF?
Don't remember what time zone he is but here in Central time it is just now 3pm (well 3:12) :)
 
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