Mafia #99: The ACville Files- Game Thread

[dirtydawg10]

Red - We should look beyond the obvious as well for the reasons I just posted. I find it interesting that you don't agree with that considering how often Day 1/2 is made up of innocents voting innocents.

That makes you a good place to look, Wizard. Dawg and Zaffy too.

Blue - I said it made sense for them to try manipulating Ice if they can. It would be foolish not to attempt it. However, I did not say that strategy would be successful. Ice is sharp and often questions those most who try to bamboozle him.

Black - Again, let me sum this up for you. As I believe was shown by my posts with Dawg last night, Dawg has not given us great direction to follow. Dawg as an innocent usually plays his game more objectively than that and using logic that is sound.

Given that Dawg also did a 180 reversal on me when he retracted his vote... a very SHORT time after his "twist twist twist" accusatory vote post against me was odd. That made be believe I was on to something with him and he may have felt that if he backed off on me that maybe I'd back off on him.

Looking back at others Dawg mentioned in possible suspicious ways, I found it interesting too that Dawg addressed a Bally vs. Kashta scenario (regarding low posters).... but even after acknowledging Zaffy had less than 5 posts too along with me at that time.... Dawg didn't mention Zaffy again or give me the other scenario Zaffy vs. Kashta when he decided to vote me over post count. When trying to decide alignment in Dawg's case, it's always important to look at what he leaves out or doesn't say as much as what he tells us. I consider that a telling omission in his case.

If Dawg is evil, there's a good chance Zaffy is too. Bally, Zaffy, DD, and FF are the only names he really mentioned earlier. DD was a joke vote/retracted. He gave us reason to also consider Zaffy suspect too but has let that drop altogether. As scum, it's prudent to somewhere mention a teammate for distancing purposes. That would make Zaffy a prime candidate as scummate with Dawg.

Couple this with the fact that you, Dawg, and Zaffy seem to be in agreement suspecting folks like AAF, Dun, and Lab Rat gives me a very uneasy feeling. I would expect all three of you (if innocent) to be much less narrow-focused at this point in the game.

Clear enough for you now, Wizard?

I did a 180 on you Kash because I was trying to get under your skin and you didn't bite. I gave you many reasons to vote for me and it didn't happen. I was going hard to see if it would tell me anything. I think if you were scum you would have bit. Maybe I'm wrong but that was my first impression from our posts.

I compared Bally vs. Kashta because you brought it up. You pointed out that Bally was also a low poster and were wondering why I didn't also point her out. I answered that question.

As far as Zaffy goes I have no allegiance to him. Zaffy is still close to the top of my list even though you have dropped. I would actually place him second on my list right now. I would have no problem placing a vote on him tonight. Is there a reason you want me off of Dun and on Zaffy?

 

[Kashta]

Ah, sorry. Should I have said fat headed? lol.

 

[Kashta]

I did a 180 on you Kash because I was trying to get under your skin and you didn't bite. I gave you many reasons to vote for me and it didn't happen. I was going hard to see if it would tell me anything. I think if you were scum you would have bit. Maybe I'm wrong but that was my first impression from our posts.

I compared Bally vs. Kashta because you brought it up. You pointed out that Bally was also a low poster and were wondering why I didn't also point her out. I answered that question.

As far as Zaffy goes I have no allegiance to him. Zaffy is still close to the top of my list even though you have dropped. I would actually place him second on my list right now. I would have no problem placing a vote on him tonight. Is there a reason you want me off of Dun and on Zaffy?

Other than it seems you may be distancing from Zaffy, no.

What I want..... to know what role you have. I'm thinking scum. And if I could confirm that in a definite way one way or the other, it would tell me a lot more about other players in relation.

 

[the wizard]

What I would like to know, from everyone, are their thoughts on those who voted t2o confirmed innocents.

AAF, to be honest, I do believe that it was a fluke that he did that. From what I have seen in the game I believe that he is actually trying to get a grasp and learn to be helpful. I know that I went back and forth with him this morning but, I am hoping it helps him to learn how players view things and question others.

Zaffy, I am not getting all warm and fuzzy about you right now. I have posted my concerns and questions. One final question I have for you is you posted you think Dun is scum but your vote is on AAF. Why?

Noods, not thrilled with your "helpfulness" at this point either.

Dun, I am not sure, I reserve judgment until I see how or what he posts today. I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt for the time being and give him a chance to go through the game with a "clear head".

Answer me this Kashta, if I were trying to get other's to vote AAF as you accuse me of, why would I say what I did in the post above?

Also, why would I have stopped and moved on from there? You know me better than that. When I am trying to get someone lynched(whether innocent thinking I have found scum, or scum after someone else) I am like a dog with a bone. I don't quit until it is done.

1. Your post listing those names is below, along with my answer to your question.

2. I did not say YOU mentioned Lab Rat, Wizard. But as part of the scum team, you wouldn't have to call out each name your team wants us to look at, would you? No. That's why the scum takes a team approach in these games.

3. Okay. Here that is.



AAF - Leaning more innocent than scum.

Zaffy - Gets my vote as your most likely teammate from this list. I'd even be willing to bet you a Quarter that neither you nor Dawg ends us voting Zaffy N3. Despite your efforts to distance from him.

Noods - Not active enough to read. Undecided.

Dun - Very difficult for me to tell as I've never played a game with him yet where he was evil. Unless this one is it.... so undecided.

So you are convinced Zaffy is scum. Where is your vote? As for efforts to distance, I have never used that tactic in a game. What makes you say I am now?

 

[dirtydawg10]

Other than it seems you may be distancing from Zaffy, no.

What I want..... to know what role you have. I'm thinking scum. And if I could confirm that in a definite way one way or the other, it would tell me a lot more about other players in relation.

So why aren't you voting for me?

 

[Zaffy]

I did a 180 on you Kash because I was trying to get under your skin and you didn't bite. I gave you many reasons to vote for me and it didn't happen. I was going hard to see if it would tell me anything. I think if you were scum you would have bit. Maybe I'm wrong but that was my first impression from our posts.

I compared Bally vs. Kashta because you brought it up. You pointed out that Bally was also a low poster and were wondering why I didn't also point her out. I answered that question.

As far as Zaffy goes I have no allegiance to him. Zaffy is still close to the top of my list even though you have dropped. I would actually place him second on my list right now. I would have no problem placing a vote on him tonight. Is there a reason you want me off of Dun and on Zaffy?

I have a theory on that.

1. Your post listing those names is below, along with my answer to your question.

2. I did not say YOU mentioned Lab Rat, Wizard. But as part of the scum team, you wouldn't have to call out each name your team wants us to look at, would you? No. That's why the scum takes a team approach in these games.

3. Okay. Here that is.



AAF - Leaning more innocent than scum.

Zaffy - Gets my vote as your most likely teammate from this list. I'd even be willing to bet you a Quarter that neither you nor Dawg ends us voting Zaffy N3. Despite your efforts to distance from him.

Noods - Not active enough to read. Undecided.

Dun - Very difficult for me to tell as I've never played a game with him yet where he was evil. Unless this one is it.... so undecided.

She's basically daring Wiz to switch to me here. So she's trying to Save dun and get me lynched at the same time.

 

[Kashta]

Answer me this Kashta, if I were trying to get other's to vote AAF as you accuse me of, why would I say what I did in the post above?

Also, why would I have stopped and moved on from there? You know me better than that. When I am trying to get someone lynched(whether innocent thinking I have found scum, or scum after someone else) I am like a dog with a bone. I don't quit until it is done.



So you are convinced Zaffy is scum. Where is your vote? As for efforts to distance, I have never used that tactic in a game. What makes you say I am now?

Wizard, you want the town looking at those who voted innocents. Period. You've said so yourself. AAF voted an innocent N2 (Ice). And sure enough, you gave the town a list asking everyone to comment about those people. AAF is on that list.

Therefore, it is your intention for us to look at him along with the 3 others you named. That makes it kinda hard to say you're not helping to put our focus there today, doesn't it?

To influence the town vote the way you and your team wants it go does not require you to list all those names as definitive suspects. If you did that, it'd be impossible for you to tap dance your way around being so "wrong" after we find out all their roles. No one on the scum team would be that dense no matter who they are... including you.

What I don't see from you, Wizard.... you won't even acknowledge there's a decent chance that innocents voted innocents. Not only does common sense tell us that's possible but actual game experience tells us it's very likely.

If you really were innocent, I find it hard to believe you would refuse to consider a valid possibility like that.... even after I brought this up. Look at you now. You still haven't admitted it might be a mistake for us to look only there without also considering a larger view.

Where do you factor in that possibility into your game strategy at all, oh-so-innocent Wizard? Nowhere that I can find.

My vote will be made whenever I'm ready to place it, tyvm. Until then I'll continue to evaluate what I find in the thread and what people post.

 

[Zaffy]

We might look at this as protection for Ice. You realize that, right?

Were you mad when I voted FF here? Why'd you try to scare me off? Did you want Ice lynched and FF UDed?

 

[Kashta]

So why aren't you voting for me?

LOL. Because you want me to so bad.

 

[Kashta]

I have a theory on that.



She's basically daring Wiz to switch to me here. So she's trying to Save dun and get me lynched at the same time.

No need for theories, Zaffy. I'm happy to tell you straight out. I'm doing two things: sharing my thoughts and gauging reactions. I figure that's the best way for me to decide my vote. It's also raises points others can look at, evaluate for themselves, and decide where they want to vote.... whether they agree with me or disagree with me.