Mafia 101 - Blarney Castle: Return of the Leprechauns - Game Thread

[Kashta]

In the long run, not a bad night one with an evil UD and a save pick that worked, provided the saved is innocent, and I have no reason to believe they are or aren't.

Kash..

"Driver -- You made 2 game related posts that I saw. First to vote Lady G because it was a rainy afternoon. Then to comment that AAF seemed a bit sensitive in his response to the many posts from O3T. You chose the word "sensitive" and not "defensive" for how you phrased that. And you didn't seem to feel anything strongly enough to vote AAF -- you left your Lady G vote in place.

As you read nightfall events, were you hoping the coin flip would kill AAF or Red? Did you lean either of them as more scummy than the other? Was your vote on Lady G a joke vote or a random vote? Who other than Lady G were you considering for your vote (if anyone)?"

I hadn't seen enough from AAF to define it as defensive, simple as that. Lady G vote was just random and a bit of a joke...didn't have a real thought about jumping on someone without more input in postings. (Though jumping on Lady G can be a bit off topic...).

I wasn't hoping for one or the other on the coin toss....but may have had a leaning for it to be AAF since its nice to have Red back. Same question to all others..who were you hoping the toss lynched?

Thanks for the answer. And good of you to ask me for my answer to the same question.

I thought OT3 was picking on AAF an awful lot. Enough to wonder if O3T was trying to make AAF look defensive and get him voted. The main argument against that idea was O3T took it a bit far IMO to just say, oops I was wrong once AAF flipped innocent. If scum, OT3 didn't seem to leave themself an "out" along the way and that certainly wasn't just mild distancing between the two. For that reason I kinda wanted AAF to go instead of Red.... thinking that might tell us something at least about O3T.

I also felt kinda bad about voting Red myself once Dawg tied the tally between him and AAF. The only reason I voted Red was because we started playing mafia around the same time some 50 games or so ago. Back when we were both noobs he and I went after each other a lot!!

In the end, I didn't switch off Red though because Dawg tied them up and it was interesting to see if that would shake someone else out into view... I didn't have anyone else in mind to vote... I wanted to see which way Chill decided to vote when he got here and saw the tie... and even if AAF was innocent, changing my vote from Red to someone else wouldn't have saved him anyway.

 

[Kashta]

I don't see any thing else about Toes that stands out but this caught my eye.

AAF you say above that you knew you were going to vote Dawg before you looked at the thread and that it was because he was in front of you. If you didn't look at the thread how did you know he was in front of you? He isn't in front of you on the players list. Fozzy is,who coincidentally is who was the last person to post before your vote.


Kashta, I guess since you asked me about my vote on Red I should ask you. You stated it was only to well him back and not because you thought him scummy. You were here for night fall why didn't you switch?

Thought I'd pulled that quote too for my previous post... they both asked the same question back.

 

[Kashta]

I know that LG and Chill vote for each other quite often. Not sure if they were both scum that LG would do that unless she is communicating and Chill was non-comm...or vice versa. I have been wrong before though.

Okay, thanks. That was the reason I saw LG's vote as a wash and couldn't lean her more scummy or more townie either way based on nothing else but that single vote (which at this point is all we have from her so far).

Given her history just voting Chill like that makes it a very convenient place to hide on Day 1 even if she and Chill were communicating evil. Should be real easy for her to blow it off as nothing even if someone pointed at her later for "distancing". It's also a real safe vote to make seemingly "randomly" on Day 1 because the town would not likely question her for it. Plus it might get viewed by someone later in the game as reason to lean her more innocent if Chill was revealed evil and she outlasted him in the game.

That's what I mean... nothing but WIFOM using that as a basis to lean Lady G one way or another. And that amounts to some point cancelling out another however I look at it. So, based on LG's vote I have her firmly on my list still as nothing but neutral/undecided..... lol.

The fact that she's not posting much at all, however, might be reason to wonder about her at least. I'm basically waiting to see if/when she decides to get into the game more. It's too soon to tell if she's just sidetracked or busy or if she's trying to hide, IMO.

 

[Lab_Rat]

Current vote count:
O3T (5) - Dawg (#164), JB (#168), Hi Iq (#171), Zaffy (#180), Kash (#195)
Hi Iq (1) - AAF (#185)


PMs as needed. Nightfall in less than 22 hours.

 

[the wizard]

I can't stay very long right now but I have at least some questions for just about everyone. So I'll just put these out there and check back later today.

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AAF -- This should be fairly straight-forward. When did you decide to place your random vote on Dawg? BEFORE looking at thread? You already intended to vote whoever the person was that just happened to make the latest post you saw and then saw it was Dawg so you voted him? Or.... AFTER looking at the thread? Seeing Dawg had made the last post (missing the Fozzy post), you then decided to pick Dawg for a random or arbitrary D1 vote at that time?

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Dawg -- When you retracted your Fozzy vote to vote Red, thus creating a tie between AAF and Red.... Chill was the only one who had not voted yet. You said you wanted to see if someone might switch or find out which way Chill would vote. At that time, what did you think was most likely from Chill.... that he would break the tie.... or that he would vote someone other than AAF or Red?

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Driver -- You made 2 game related posts that I saw. First to vote Lady G because it was a rainy afternoon. Then to comment that AAF seemed a bit sensitive in his response to the many posts from O3T. You chose the word "sensitive" and not "defensive" for how you phrased that. And you didn't seem to feel anything strongly enough to vote AAF -- you left your Lady G vote in place.

As you read nightfall events, were you hoping the coin flip would kill AAF or Red? Did you lean either of them as more scummy than the other? Was your vote on Lady G a joke vote or a random vote? Who other than Lady G were you considering for your vote (if anyone)?

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Fozzy -- How random was your vote on AAF? Originally, you voted him based on his exchange with Zaffy about the video (being dickish). Was that a serious vote or a joke/random vote?

Later when OT3 made several posts that they did not believe AAF's vote on Dawg was random at all....... you were the only one who seemed to understand AAF's side of it. You explained that you could easily see that AAF might have missed your post and really thought Dawg's post was the latest one in the thread when AAF posted his vote (3 minutes after your post).

And, since you actually posted that... did you wonder at all whether you should move your vote off of AAF?

I have to ask because it seems odd that someone would leave their vote on a person...... but then be the only one to defend them in some way to another player who ALSO went on to vote them.

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Hi IQ -- You voted Red for making a big deal about Zaffy making a big deal about AAF posting a non-Irish-drinking-song video. Was that a joke... you did that because you were trying to be funny? Or did you think Red really seemed scummy at the time?

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O3T -- I'm having a little trouble trying to "read" you. Blasted alias names! lmao.

First, you said Red's vote on Zaffy looked like first "serious" vote of the game. How serious were you about that specific statement at the time? Was that an actual comment or were you being sarcastic? (Red voted Zaffy because Zaffy voted AAF for posting a non-Irish-drinking video.)

(For the rest of these questions, keep in mind that I do NOT want to know who you are. When you answer this, please make sure you do NOT make it some kind of a clue about your actual identity. As I said, it's hard for me to read you because I don't know what your usual style is.)

Your many posts about AAF and your vote on him suggests two possibilities -- that you are generally an aggressive/inquisitive player who believed it was worthwhile to keep poking at him, I guess, to gauge his reaction.... OR.... that you held some actual conviction in your belief that AAF is evil.

Which is it? Were you just messing with him or did you (do you) actually think AAF is scum?

And finally, this: You seemed pretty sure that AAF is evil based on how you focused on him over his random or no-random vote on Dawg. That being the case, why so narrowly focused on only that single random vote when there were several other random (or self-proclaimed random) Day 1 votes that you didn't comment about in any way?

Do you intend to vote AAF again today or do you have other possible suspects in mind?

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Wizard -- You voted O3T because dinosaurs died out long ago. Was that a random vote or a joke vote?

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At the moment, I don't have any questions for JB, Lady G, or Zaffy yet. I went through real quick to re-read their posts but didn't see anything to question them about so far. All 3 players usually post a lot more content than they have (regardless of their role) and it was a very slow day. Just need to wait until they get more involved, I guess.

Yes it was.

Sorry about the late arrival folks, didn't get home until after 9 and just finished reading the game. I will now go back and address the things that caught my eye.

 

[the wizard]

I must say that I too was hoping the coin toss would go the other way. It piqued my interest the way O3T was going after AAF yesterday. When AAF first posted his response about Fozzy being the last to post before him I thought he had screwed up. Then O3T started in at him constantly and it caught my eye. We were talking about muppets and toes was like a pit bull with his teeth in AAF's arse. I thought AAF getting the lynch would reveal something about O3T.

Now we have IQ taking up where O3T left off. The amazing thing is, actually there are two amazing things. First being that IQ was unable to trip AAF up with his repeated questioning. I do believe that to be a first for AAF. :y220e:
The second point is that neither O3T nor IQ initiated the questioning. They both have gone after AAF on a point that someone else mentioned or questioned him about and apparently was satisfied with the answer as they have moved on.

Could there be a connection here? Is it just coincidence?

Would either you O3T or you IQ care to answer to this bizarre coincidence?

 

[the wizard]

I to would like to see a response from Fozzy to JB's question. I believe the question was what are your thoughts on O3T's slip? You know the one, where he stated that only Chill knew that he was evil?

You haven't missed the question because you danced around it. I know you haven't missed the slip, it has been very difficult to find anyone to question because that statement jumps right out of the monitor at you.

 

[dirtydawg10]

Well I'm not around much today but I should be here before night. I don't really see my vote moving anywhere anyway.

 

[the wizard]

I don't know if I will be home before night or not. My vote goes to the only obvious place considering the posting yesterday.

I vote to lynch Old 3 Toes.

 

[jbradt]

I'm back at home and don't see much to add at this point. I am getting pretty interested in the interaction around Fozzybear though. Muppets and bad joke aside.

I asked Fozzy a few pretty direct questions that largely went unanswered. When I pointed out to Fozzy that he had not answered, he came back with this post:

J I'm having trouble finding exactly the question in...question lol. But...at this point here are my thoughts..

Why did Dawg change his vote? Its very early on for somebody to me making moves and that one simply smells overt to me. Like murder maybe.

As far as OT3, sure what he said may have simply been common knowledge or it could have been inside scum knowledge, but at this point he certainly smells scummy, I follow drug interdiction reasoning on this one...the person acting most awkward is hot.

This post sort of touches the questions, but never really comes out and answers them.

Then Kash says she wants to hear the answer to my original question.

Then Wiz says he wants the answer. Wiz states that Fozzy "danced around the issue" which could be in reference to the post of Fozzy's that I quoted.


So...
Fozzy: who do you find more scummy for their actions, Dawg or O3T. I understand that your style is to use metaphor and flowery language, but a direct answer here would be helpful. also, a brief explanation for your answer would be lovely.

Kash: when you called for Fozzy to answer my original question, had you missed the post that I quoted above or were you calling for clarification of that post?

Wiz: is the post I quoted what you referred to as Fozzy "dancing around" the question? What do you think of Fozzy so far overall?