Mafia 101 - Blarney Castle: Return of the Leprechauns - Game Thread

[Fozzybear]

I would say that LG's vote doesn't do anything to make me learn her one way or the other at this point. No one except Chill knew he was scum.

I've looked and looked at this...I've been more or less working under the assumption that nobody knows who anybody else's role is but their own. But I guess that communicating players would know who is and isn't on their team. now, what is interesting to me is that since the "slip up" OT3 has been sitting in the corner sucking his thumb and watching us tie the noose. This should be easily explainable from his perspective, but now he's acting guilty.

I Vote to lynch O3T

 

[Fozzybear]

I'm back at home and don't see much to add at this point. I am getting pretty interested in the interaction around Fozzybear though. Muppets and bad joke aside.

I asked Fozzy a few pretty direct questions that largely went unanswered. When I pointed out to Fozzy that he had not answered, he came back with this post:


This post sort of touches the questions, but never really comes out and answers them.

Then Kash says she wants to hear the answer to my original question.

Then Wiz says he wants the answer. Wiz states that Fozzy "danced around the issue" which could be in reference to the post of Fozzy's that I quoted.


So...
Fozzy: who do you find more scummy for their actions, Dawg or O3T. I understand that your style is to use metaphor and flowery language, but a direct answer here would be helpful. also, a brief explanation for your answer would be lovely.

Kash: when you called for Fozzy to answer my original question, had you missed the post that I quoted above or were you calling for clarification of that post?

Wiz: is the post I quoted what you referred to as Fozzy "dancing around" the question? What do you think of Fozzy so far overall?

Bah, its hard to be definitive when you're unsure of what you're seeing. Again, its still tricky to get a good read on people at this point for me.

Dawg, there is something there simply because he changed his vote early on in the game (the only deliberate action of day 1) and created a tie that killed an innocent out of thin air, I just think that is meaningful, but am unsure of the implication as of yet. Hence I "can't stop looking at Dawg"

As far as O3T I really see that post as being fairly near to common knowledge and frankly its a perspective I had casually found believable (that none of us really know what anybody else is) although I may not have felt any need to voice such a basic opinion. I really don't find that post incriminating in and of itself. What I do find incriminating is that he hasn't responded. I feel that there must be a fairly reasonable explanation for that post, I'd be eager to hear it, but like I said right above this, "he's been sitting in the corner sucking his thumb and watching us tie the noose" I've seen fish on the deck of the boat with a 6 foot bleeder stick in their neck fight harder for their life. He must be quite confident he's been made at this point. An innocent would be screaming bloody murder that they're being bloody murdered.

 

[jbradt]

Bah, its hard to be definitive when you're unsure of what you're seeing. Again, its still tricky to get a good read on people at this point for me.

Dawg, there is something there simply because he changed his vote early on in the game (the only deliberate action of day 1) and created a tie that killed an innocent out of thin air, I just think that is meaningful, but am unsure of the implication as of yet. Hence I "can't stop looking at Dawg"

As far as O3T I really see that post as being fairly near to common knowledge and frankly its a perspective I had casually found believable (that none of us really know what anybody else is) although I may not have felt any need to voice such a basic opinion. I really don't find that post incriminating in and of itself. What I do find incriminating is that he hasn't responded. I feel that there must be a fairly reasonable explanation for that post, I'd be eager to hear it, but like I said right above this, "he's been sitting in the corner sucking his thumb and watching us tie the noose" I've seen fish on the deck of the boat with a 6 foot bleeder stick in their neck fight harder for their life. He must be quite confident he's been made at this point. An innocent would be screaming bloody murder that they're being bloody murdered.

For clarity (I'm a bit slow, you see) which post was common knowledge? O3T did offer up an explanation for the "slip". Yet you keep calling for that explanation.

There seems to be a lot of skimming going on for such a low posting game.

 

[Fozzybear]

O3T's last post was on page 16, #162, reads

"You're right, my mistake. For some reason in my head I thought Lab said that Chill was the non communicator but he could have been with the team.

That does lower LG on my list then."

I find this post and the silence following incriminating, but the post by chill everybody keeps linking is #158 which reads


"I would say that LG's vote doesn't do anything to make me learn her one way or the other at this point. No one except Chill [would've] knew he was scum."

I find this post to be pretty much common knowledge but its the one that everybody is talking about. The only thing is that the lack of the word [would've] leaves out the sense of doubt that we should all have. I've read all of the posts but there are lots of opinions based on fairly subtle things, it takes some time for a fella to process and whats so bad about a little ambiguity?

 

[jbradt]

O3T's last post was on page 16, #162, reads

"You're right, my mistake. For some reason in my head I thought Lab said that Chill was the non communicator but he could have been with the team.

That does lower LG on my list then."

I find this post and the silence following incriminating, but the post by chill everybody keeps linking is #158 which reads


"I would say that LG's vote doesn't do anything to make me learn her one way or the other at this point. No one except Chill [would've] knew he was scum."

I find this post to be pretty much common knowledge but its the one that everybody is talking about. The only thing is that the lack of the word [would've] leaves out the sense of doubt that we should all have. I've read all of the posts but there are lots of opinions based on fairly subtle things, it takes some time for a fella to process and whats so bad about a little ambiguity?

Post 158 wasn't made by Chill, it was made by O3T. Yes, in this game opionions are made based on subtle things. Subtle things are how we find scum. It's very rare that scum actually jump out and say "here I am, vote for me". I don't understand how you can think that Chill being Non Communicating was or is common knowledge. Did you know Chill was the non communicating leprechaun when you read the death post?

What's so bad about ambiguity is that it gets innocents lynched and gives the scum a perfect out. If we let ambiguity slide, the town would never win a game.

 

[Fozzybear]

Okay, sorry about that I meant O3T.

Its not that chill's communication status was common knowledge, but rather, since I think the majority of the players are non-communicating, it would make sense that one could guess that nobody knew their role but them and Lab, that's kindof the whole point isn't it?

The inference that I think I haven't referenced enough is that if O3T was to actually KNOW and not just guess that chill was a non-communicating Leprechauns then yes he must be scum. I was trying to explain though that really I think the would "would've" would have helped him duck some suspicion in #158, and that he flat out painted a target on his head with the words "I thought Lab said that Chill was the non communicator but he could have been with the team." and the silence that follows them, to say he could have been with the team directly infers that he is a part of the team himself. Now, I've been taking my time and trying to wrap my head around this and although I've voted and don't plan to change it, I wouldn't be COMPLETELY shocked if we lynch him and he turns out to be a townie. I also wouldn't be shocked if he's the evil leprechaun himself.

Now I must go to class.

 

[[AC] Old3Toes]

I vote to lynch Kash

 

[allaboutfish]

I vote to lynch Kash

reason?

 

[Lady G]

As a follow up to my previous question..... really, Dawg?

You really never noticed how often Lady G votes Chill on Day 1 and vice versa? Or the times Pappy votes DD or DD votes Pappy the same way? That surprises me mainly because they often tell us that's their only reason for those votes when they place initial D1 "random" or "joke" votes like that in those games.

So tell me........ Have you ever noticed it's a similar thing between Wizard voting Lab Rat or Lab Rat voting Wizard? Those two also do the same thing for the same reason. And they tell us so too that that's the reason for their vote.

I guess not, huh? lol.

I know that LG and Chill vote for each other quite often. Not sure if they were both scum that LG would do that unless she is communicating and Chill was non-comm...or vice versa. I have been wrong before though.

Ok, not that it is a big deal but actually I think you are both wrong. Chill and I mess with each other quite often yes...but I don't think either of us vote the other very often on day one unless there truely is something behind it. I actually was worried others would question me about my vote simply because we really don't vote each other often in a "random" vote and Chill is a bad one to loose if innocent. The only reason I actually did it this time was because I did actually have a "feel" from his posting, yet I wasn't sure and didn't think he would really get voted off on day one so it was a way to let him know I had that feeling, but if I was wrong he wasn't really threatened.

Now, I do find it interesting that both Kash and Dawg are saying we often vote each other day one.

In the end, I didn't switch off Red though because Dawg tied them up and it was interesting to see if that would shake someone else out into view... I didn't have anyone else in mind to vote... I wanted to see which way Chill decided to vote when he got here and saw the tie... and even if AAF was innocent, changing my vote from Red to someone else wouldn't have saved him anyway.

This question is to Dawg also...did either of you feel Chill would come on and break the tie?

For now I vote to lynch O3T I just can't over look them saying Chill was the only one who knew he was evil.

 

[Lab_Rat]

Current vote count:
O3T (8) - Dawg (#164), JB (#168), Hi Iq (#171), Zaffy (#180), Kash (#195), Wiz (#209), Fozzy (#211), LG (#219)
Hi Iq (1) - AAF (#185)
Kash (1) - O3T (#217)

No vote: Driver

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