Mafia 101 - Blarney Castle: Return of the Leprechauns - Game Thread

fozzy reminds me of me when i was first scum actually. i was so excited at the beginning that i talked and talked and talked. then once people were getting serious i got nervous and sat back. then once the game kept going my teammates in the den started telling me that i needed to talk so i started talking and asking them what to say. this is what he reminds me of and i think him and JB are scum.


Again, you've missed the point I made in my earlier post, probably because you were looking for errors instead of reading for content. WHY IF I WAS SCUM WOULD I BE SO OVERT? If I actually thought Wiz was innocent why in God's name would I want to attack him BY MYSELF? Think about what happens if he dies and is innocent, I will have panted a neon green bio luminescent target on my head with a picture of a Lep in the middle, now think about what happens if Wiz gets me killed, oh my god look!! Fozzy is innocent, wow!!! He must have been right about driver and Wiz...huh...and who really wanted Fozzy dead? Wiz??? Oh my god wiz must be scum!!!

Hence Wiz is voting for JB and although all of you are so sure I'm scum I'm not on the list. Cmon folks....act on your feelings if you're not scum and trying to manipulate the audience. If I'm bad what harm comes from me dying? You'll be verified, any suspicions on you will be cleared since people who are wondering if they should agree with me will see that I was actually scum, the more you say I'm bad and vote elsewhere the more obvious it is who is scum and who isn't.

Don't forget to ask yourself why I am so hard after Wiz if I'm scum and he's innocent? what happens if you all do what I'm asking for and either lynch me or Wiz...think about the implications of my stance and then think about the implications of those who disagree, its not that hard.
 
A lot of words that say nothing.

I have asked you to present your case and again you have failed to do so. You have no case against me and are now just muddying up the thread with long posts hoping to convince the town there is a case hidden amongst all those words. I think you would have done better this game taking direction from Kermit than JB.

How does that say nothing? it says as clearly as I could work out, that you're scum, not because of your small freudian slip, but rather because of the defense you've taken about it. Utilizing a logical fallacy instead of simply explaining your reasoning which if innocent will bear itself out. Raise your hand if you've completed your diploma folks...english isn't that hard to understand.
 
I'm not you AAF but feel free to vote me down based on your personal experience and your belief that I will replicate exactly your actions. Why are we pushing to Lynch the one person the the town who actually discovered and pushed for the lynching of a Lep? anybody? please? are me and JB the only innocents left? We're going to side up to the people who voted down LG?

Honestly the best thing for the town is to lynch me...please, if you're right and I'm scum everything will become clear, but what if I'm innocent guys? please lynch me so you all can know for sure, if JB and I are on a team and JB is giving me orders then he's obviously not feeling confident enough to act on his own, kill his puppet!

I've shown an argument of how jb can be scum AND bee the one who led the charge against a scummate. Some where near post 468. The timeline. Do you think my timeline is plausible? Are there any fault in it

Asking to be lynch Ed is anti town, if you are innocent its the same as leading against a known innocent. Very bad.

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I want the town to lynch jb. I think his death will tell us a great deal about what's been going on in this game.

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Again, you've missed the point I made in my earlier post, probably because you were looking for errors instead of reading for content. WHY IF I WAS SCUM WOULD I BE SO OVERT? If I actually thought Wiz was innocent why in God's name would I want to attack him BY MYSELF? Think about what happens if he dies and is innocent, I will have panted a neon green bio luminescent target on my head with a picture of a Lep in the middle, now think about what happens if Wiz gets me killed, oh my god look!! Fozzy is innocent, wow!!! He must have been right about driver and Wiz...huh...and who really wanted Fozzy dead? Wiz??? Oh my god wiz must be scum!!!

Hence Wiz is voting for JB and although all of you are so sure I'm scum I'm not on the list. Cmon folks....act on your feelings if you're not scum and trying to manipulate the audience. If I'm bad what harm comes from me dying? You'll be verified, any suspicions on you will be cleared since people who are wondering if they should agree with me will see that I was actually scum, the more you say I'm bad and vote elsewhere the more obvious it is who is scum and who isn't.

Don't forget to ask yourself why I am so hard after Wiz if I'm scum and he's innocent? what happens if you all do what I'm asking for and either lynch me or Wiz...think about the implications of my stance and then think about the implications of those who disagree, its not that hard.
what content? why would you be so overt? isnt that the point? scum make themselves look as far from scum as they can and sometimes too far.
 
I can see your timeline as plausible, but that was earlier on and the situation wasn't quite like this because I am feel that I am being very obvious, but you're right, I can't fully clear that as a plausability.

Now I'm really asking: how is me saying that if you think i'm scum you should lynch me anti town? The problem the town is having is that there aren't enough strong stances being taken for folks to really make a call either way in my opinion. Therefore from my perspective, the only way for the town to really know for sure is to lynch me, I know what I am, and I also know that the town is highly unlikely to follow any stance I take and that frankly if I'm right, then the scum would probably want to wait through this round, lynch some other stronger player and then get me later on when there are less other innocents to turn on them if they're found out. Therefor from where I'm sitting, I'd say the strongest benefit to the town would be to actually lynch me, thereby at least verifying the truth of what I'm saying and leave other stronger players to sort out what to do with that information.
 
There have been three hard stands in the game from what I can tell.


LB ---> Kash
Kash ---> LB both were innocent, both died


Wiz ---> LB LB was innocent, she died. (also the vote on LB and the bite on Kash really shows a 1 2 punch for the scum, to get us to kill LB with the vote and even while she's arguing with Kash take out Kash with the bite. They knew full and well who was innocent during that whole scenario which further causes me to believe that chill was the non-com lep (would make sense why he gave up on the game on that first night, who wants to be a non-com scum) since they knew that both were innocent despite the fact that most of the town believed that it was an either, or scenario.


JB ---> O3T This is the strongest evidence for JB being either innocent or at the least the non-com lep since he was the first onto O3T and was so diligent about it that he actually turned me onto a vote on O3T by questioning my reasoning repeatedly since my initial reaction was that (and get this) IT WAS JUST A TINY SLIP THAT COULD BE EASILY EXPLAINED. Keep in mind folks this was THE ONE decent vote we've made this game.


Go back and look for yourself who was supporting the lynches of innocents and who was supporting the lynches of scum. And since I know that I was hesitant to put my vote on O3T I'll save you the looking and tell you right now. Like I said earlier, if you don't know who to lynch lynch me, it will be illuminating. I also voted for LG, and frankly was certain that because of how aggressive and vocal she was being she was scum. Frankly, if you look at the two meaningfull posts I've made you can see why I'm after Wiz, first, It was wrong of me to ignore a slip, since a slip is the only thing that has gotten us a clean kill now I'm going to look for more slips. Second, I had been more or less quiet and was watching and letting things happen, I watched LG get very vocal and then get killed, the only regret was the person she was vocal against was also killed and wound up being innocent. So if you're wondering about the sudden change in Fozzy, its because I've seen the importance of both paying attention to tiny slips, and the importance of being openly vocal against who you think is the highest probability for being scum.

Or I'm (as Wiz posited) scum, and just now feeling confident and now I'm drawing as much attention to myself as possible and actively trying to get an innocent killed, because it'll totally work out for me if I'm this hard on Wiz and he turns out to be innocent. (<---- sarcasm)

Frankly the fact that Wiz is so confident that I'm scum and not voting for me is funny, I'd say whichever of us backs off has something to loose from being too overt, or worse actually being this outspoken and seeing the person you're after go down and be innocent. Wiz, if you started pushing for me you could get me, I'm noobish, overconfident, obnoxious, and (from your perspective) actively trying to kill an innocent or at least cast dispersion on them, why did you suddenly back off? Could it be that your scum buddies are telling you its a bad idea to go after me because even if you kill me it will only illuminate who you truly are?

Yet, here I am, harping on the same note I've been harping on this entire game day. I'm not possitive that Wiz is scum, but based on his slip and the following reaction I'm pretty sure he is. To the point that I'm willing to stick my neck out there and possible be lynched by my own team since I feel that if they kill me it will only verify what I'm saying and my goal is to see as many people go down vocally before we run out of enough voters to do anything.


Plain and simple. This post is an attempt to split the town.

I am scum for being aggressive after G. Yet, you yourself said you were convinced she was scum because of her posting. I was but one vote. I didn't get G lynched, G got G lynched.

If I am so convinced you are scum why isn't my vote on you? As I stated, JB is the bigger threat to the town. Also, from what I can see, I am not the only one that thinks you are on the scum team.

You come from no where begging and pleading to be the lynch when no one has even voted you. This is an obvious attempt to draw votes off of JB. It is common knowledge that scum will sacrifice themselves to save their leader.

One last point, JB didn't vote O3T until after Dawg had posted in the thread about his slip. Once made what else could he do but vote there. JB is to smart a player to not vote there at that point.
 
I can see your timeline as plausible, but that was earlier on and the situation wasn't quite like this because I am feel that I am being very obvious, but you're right, I can't fully clear that as a plausability.

Now I'm really asking: how is me saying that if you think i'm scum you should lynch me anti town? The problem the town is having is that there aren't enough strong stances being taken for folks to really make a call either way in my opinion. Therefore from my perspective, the only way for the town to really know for sure is to lynch me, I know what I am, and I also know that the town is highly unlikely to follow any stance I take and that frankly if I'm right, then the scum would probably want to wait through this round, lynch some other stronger player and then get me later on when there are less other innocents to turn on them if they're found out. Therefor from where I'm sitting, I'd say the strongest benefit to the town would be to actually lynch me, thereby at least verifying the truth of what I'm saying and leave other stronger players to sort out what to do with that information.

I think you might be scum. But my case on you depends on jb. So i'm voting him. I'm a lot more sure about him than you.

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what content? why would you be so overt? isnt that the point? scum make themselves look as far from scum as they can and sometimes too far.


What I'm saying with that is very simple.

If I'm scum and anything I'm pushing for actually happens it will be absolutely clear who wanted it to happen. I.E. if I was pushing this hard for LG (<------ see I said G) then I would be first on people's docket today to be lynched. Therefor it would by highly counterproductive for me to be this vigorously pushing for a player I believe is innocent, it will just get me lynched tomorrow and further incriminate anybody I've sided with, so odds are, if I was scum and people were actually following me on attacking Wiz and he turned out innocent, I and JB (since you all are so sure that we're on a team) would be immediately incriminated thereby screwing our chances of being effective past this upcoming nightfall. Now I know that since I'm aligned with JB and ya'll are planning on lynching him tonight, if he turns up scum I'm pretty much screwed and will be next to go. But I can't get past the fact that most people have stated that Driver and I are most obviously scum, why aren't we being voted for? The odds are actually fairly low that all three of us (if you include JB in your assessment) are scum and even lower that we're communicating so then you cannot seriously discount the idea that at least one of us are innocent and what are the implications of that?
 
What I'm saying with that is very simple.

If I'm scum and anything I'm pushing for actually happens it will be absolutely clear who wanted it to happen. I.E. if I was pushing this hard for LG (<------ see I said G) then I would be first on people's docket today to be lynched. Therefor it would by highly counterproductive for me to be this vigorously pushing for a player I believe is innocent, it will just get me lynched tomorrow and further incriminate anybody I've sided with, so odds are, if I was scum and people were actually following me on attacking Wiz and he turned out innocent, I and JB (since you all are so sure that we're on a team) would be immediately incriminated thereby screwing our chances of being effective past this upcoming nightfall. Now I know that since I'm aligned with JB and ya'll are planning on lynching him tonight, if he turns up scum I'm pretty much screwed and will be next to go. But I can't get past the fact that most people have stated that Driver and I are most obviously scum, why aren't we being voted for? The odds are actually fairly low that all three of us (if you include JB in your assessment) are scum and even lower that we're communicating so then you cannot seriously discount the idea that at least one of us are innocent and what are the implications of that?

Again, to answer your question, to split the town vote. If we lynch scum tonight we can still win. If we lynch an innocent, I think we will lose.

If Driver were scum, I think he would have been more active in this game. Driver has been scummy and hasn't helped the town, but, G's posts were scummy as well. You yourself said so.
 
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