Mafia 101 - Blarney Castle: Return of the Leprechauns - Game Thread

I'll be on a plane tomorrow, will be back on the ground before nightfall. Have an hour in Vegas to kill I think even.

see you from my phone.
 
Fozzybear said:
I've already seen a vote this game based on a logical fallacy. Since this game is all about reasoning out who is evil or not based on subtle cues I'd say logic and logical fallacies are of paramount importance. Furthermore, since this game is all based on typing in the English language I'd say that grammar and English itself are also consequential.
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that maybe so, but no need to post an enlglish lesson
 
jbradt said:
Ok... Looking back at Zaffy is kind of interesting.

Night 1... Zaffy votes AAF.
Zaffy's vote on O3T. Here I would expect some smart-assery from Zaffy about scummy pants or tinfoil hats or some other such hillarity. This is a very straight forward post.

This post is interesting in that Zaffy switches to a -sort of- defense of AAF. The second paragraph seems to all but clear Dawg of any wrong doing. At this point, we did not yet know that Dawg was innocent.


Looking at how the votes lined up, Zaffy was right in the middle of the voting for O3T. Not only was his vote post nothing like I would expect, but he's lined up right where a good scum buddy would be: at the point where O3T obviously became a lost cause.
It always bugs me when people say things like this then don't follow through.

Now, the only real suspect that Zaffy goes after is LG. We all know how that one turned out. Also, Zaffy says that it's a bit early to clear anyone and Kash doing so bugs him. Didn't we just see where Zaffy all but cleared Dawg on day 2? This seems really odd to me.

This post is one of the few things that are a real sticking point for me on Zaffy. I also suspect Driver, and this is a really good point in terms of pushing Driver up the suspect list. The other side of it is that Driver has gotten a lot of heat for not posting much. This post could be distancing in anticipation of Driver getting lynched and flipping scum. Then Zaff could come back later and say "see... i pointed out the scum on his pants early on".

Here's a post full of them, dude! =)

Zaffy's vote on LG for logical fallicies.



This post is subtle, but saying "there's a chance either one of you is scum" is also leaving the possibility that either one is innocent. Whereas we saw Wiz take the "I know you're scum" route in grilling LG, Zaffy is a bit more open to the possibility that he's wrong. Which seems townie, but also leaves an opening to come back later and say "awwww... darn... see I was wrong after all" if questioned about his vote.

This was to LG. This is the second time Zaffy has said this. The first was to me. It seems strange to me that Zaffy is begging to be questioned while at the same time not giving the town much to go on to look for questions. The way I read this post now, it almost seems like a dare. As in: "Go ahead, try and find something to question me about."



The vote count night 3. Zaffy's vote on LG comes at an interesting time. It seemed as though the train on G had slowed down a bit, and Zaffy's vote (and subsequent) posting on LG seemed pretty well timed to throw some more coal in the burner.

A quick quip. I can't tell, Zaff... was this sarcasm or are you really trying to point a finger at IQ? I've stated where I stand on IQ. If you've got a case, please present it. If there's something I've missed, you could help point it out.

Nothing really to say about this post, but I kept it in for continuity.

Yes. Yes you are the pot in this case. I'd love to see a list of suspects and some bullet points for why you suspect them. It's a bit late in the game for non-participation.

More continuity.

Here's the snarky Zaffy that I would expect.

I've had one good game as scum. The RR game from a loooong time ago. The way I survived that game was to play the fence. Not really go after anyone, not really defending anyone, not really saying anything substantial at all. Basically, I survived that game as scum by playing exactly how Zaffy is playing this game. And as I've said, and LG confirmed earlier, Zaffy has skated through as scum before.

If I had to vote now, it would either be driver or Zaffy. Not sure which way it would go.

I've got to work a 20 hour overnight shift tonigt. I'll be on as much as possible, but it all depends on the status of the looney bin. I'd really like to see some participation from all townies. This is the point where we need to unify and be vocal.
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I forgot to mention this, I was going to when I started pulling his posts but the subtle twist post confirmed for me I was right and forgot to mention it.

You yourself JB said you survived as scum by playing the fence. I have played a lot of games with you and have never seen you on the fence as much as you have been this time. Your posts have attempted to bring suspicion on players yet not. You lowered me on your list but kept me in the forefront allowing you to say you had lowered me should I be the lynch. You didn't want to vote G or kashta but eventually voted G. You have been talking out of a smelly body part this game.
 
Fozzy, if I'm wrong about you, read the case JB has put forth and read the case I've put out on him. Read them side by side and come to your own conclusion. You seem like a smart bear, so that shouldn't be too much to ask.

AAF, do the same. ask who makes a better case. See who was really digging, and not pretending to dig.
 
Interesting developments overnight, I'll have to think about this one. I've had both Zaffy and JB as innocents. After the LG/Kashta fiasco and both showing innocent I'm a bit timid to choose one or the other. Especially since we've been taking out the vocal players. I think sometimes we fixate to much theories that end up not panning out and let the scum slide through by laying low.
Driver and Fozzy seem much scummier IMO. Not only for laying low and not digging but for votes and weak reasonings.

I will try to check in during the day but a friend called and asked me to help work on his car. I have every intention of being here before night falls and will be able to catch up to see what has transpired.
 
[AC] HI IQ;2764072 said:
Interesting developments overnight, I'll have to think about this one. I've had both Zaffy and JB as innocents. After the LG/Kashta fiasco and both showing innocent I'm a bit timid to choose one or the other. Especially since we've been taking out the vocal players. I think sometimes we fixate to much theories that end up not panning out and let the scum slide through by laying low.
Driver and Fozzy seem much scummier IMO. Not only for laying low and not digging but for votes and weak reasonings.

I will try to check in during the day but a friend called and asked me to help work on his car. I have every intention of being here before night falls and will be able to catch up to see what has transpired.
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This night fall will likely determine the games outcome. I'm not saying to ignore every one else in the game. But look a at me and jb very closely. look at our arguments and come to your own conclusion.

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Actually, Zaffy and I totally agree on his latest point. Townies need to really be looking at the cases presented, and trust your gut. That's the best advice I can give. This is the point where townies need to come together and make a decision. Being spread out at this point helps no one. Consider the cases presented, and see which rings true to you. With the numbers being what they are right now, they only need to fool one townie to lynch an innocent. Think hard, and vote your conscience.

I'm out for a while to try and get some errands done and get some sleep. I'll be back well before nightfall.
 
At this point I'm not sure what to think of either Zaffy or JB, I do strongly believe that Wiz is scum, especially after his response to me. To see him lining up with zaffy does cast some dispersion on him from my perspective since when I was setting up to question Wiz I was wondering who Wiz would align with, Zaffy or JB since they both seemed innocent to me frankly. Like the others I do believe that tonight will really flesh out for us how this game is going to go. I honestly hope I get killed some way or another tonight since I'm not great at this game but have been vocal, I think I'd be of most use to the team dead and verified. So if you're on the fence about me lynch me, it will be educational. I've been quiet to a certain extent in this game because it is very hard to truly identify scum and I haven't wanted to be a further detriment to the team by drawing attention to irrelevant players. At this point though since I feel like I've found somebody to chase I'm going to focus on them.

Short list

Wiz gets my vote today

JB- pretty sure he's clean, for the most part has said thing's I agree with, could also be intentionally making me feel secure, especially if he's close to Wiz, siding up with me would but comfortable distance between them especially since Wiz is at a low risk of being lynched due to my commentary.
Zaffy - certainly somebody I wanted to watch when I started poking at Wiz, and although Zaffy himself has played very cleanly since then Wiz has sidled up to him, so more watching is certainly necessary.
AAF - somebody who doesn't want to deal with english language complexities and logically fallacies in a game that is all about reasoning out bad guys in written word based soley on what they've said...what ARE you voting on then? who makes you angry?...maybe my earlier statements about his innocence are misled, still low on my priority list though.
HI IQ - I'm fairly certain IQ is clean, I just am.
Driver - As stated before, driver is too overtly douchie to be scum, Yes he hasn't been a positive influence on the team and maybe he would be worth more to us as the verified dead, but I believe he is innocent.
Fozzy - I know what I am and like Driver may be worth more to the team dead.


Obviously I'm fairly certain Wiz is scum, nobody who is alive has acted more like it throughout the game, and yes, what i caught was a minor thing early in the game, but isn't that the best place to look? and what better slip than that "we" comment, I like to think that at least Freud would agree with me. If you're not certain who to lynch please lynch either Wiz or me, one of us have to be evil, who knows, maybe this is LG and Kash all over again and JB and Zaffy are sitting in the scum den rofling as I do their work for them.

Zaffy, I've been reading through your posts and almost said last night, please don't forget the implications of me being innocent, so I'm certainly trying not to forget to view everybody in both lights. Now I am a trusting person and frankly Zaffy I'd like to view you as innocent, and will certainly be looking closely at all of your posts, both for valid logical content and direction in suspicion. I don't really think you're at risk of being lynched tonight, and so frankly I'd like to let tonight's vote be added to my tools of investigation before I really try to make a judgement on you that I can act on. Both you and JB I just don't really have enough to go on to really tie myself to the wagon.
Hence I've been so hard after Wiz, if you really look at everybody, in my opinion, he just flat sticks out in a negative light. Who else in this game has been directly aggressive in response to inquiry? What innocent would want to quench the attitude of earnest investigation? Furthermore, I do think the use of ad hominem is incriminating, if Wiz had had logical reasons for typing what he did (and it was really just a slip) I feel that they would have been stated, for instance, JB, when I contradicted myself in that earlier post I immediately said "oh oops, I'd dealt with you in my mind and had a list of every player's name in front of me and just lumped you in with two other people who really were quite different." I only spoke of what I'd done and the implications therein, at no point did I say JB was misled or confused, he wasn't, I had made an error and he picked up on it, henceforth, as a player who wouldn't mind dying if it helped the village to see the truth in what I'm saying my goal is to increase the communal understanding, not attack JB for pointing out something valid. While Wiz did say that he meant "we" as the village it was after stating that I would know that if I wasn't a noob (ad hominem) and it wasn't until a couple posts later that he say's "I'm sorry I didn't write well enough for muster in an English class but that's what I meant" (author's paraphrase). If he was innocent I would have expected that first reply to have read "oh wow, you're right lol, I totally did call myself scum didn't I, well lol, I'm not, because ______(voting)_____(I was saying not to kill LG)_______(I was the first one onto O3T)_____(whatever)_______and I'm worried that you're missing ____(JB)____(zaffy)____(AAF)____ because they said _______________". What I'm getting at isn't so much what Wiz said early on, it was MILDLY incriminating but largely explainable, what I'm on Wiz about was that, efforts to explain it logically came AFTER trying to attack the validity of my argument based on the time I've spent in the game, which YES IS NOT AS MUCH AS SOME OF YOU, but has no actual bearing on the grammatical content of what Wiz said or the validity or bearing on the game therein.
 
the wizard said:
Let me lay this out for you. The threats to the scum have been taken out one by one. I am the last active vet (with the exception of Zaffy's posting tonight) So JB has you come forward with your epiphany while he stays in the background subtly bringing thoughts that have no bite to them out about everybody. Maintaining the illusion that he is helping the town.
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I almost forgot to deal with this. If JB had me come forward, why in god's name would I be so overtly aligned with him after that? Even if I was that noobish and stupid, JB wouldn't allow me to do that, he'd probably be trying to distance himself from me and come in with a late stage vote so that if you were killed and innocent he wouldn't be under suspicion and could say that he was just bandwagoning. How would it benefit either of us (assuming we're scum) for me to even make the tiniest joke or inference that I agree with what he's had to say, let alone come right out and say it.

You're right, I do hope the town is paying attention, if the noob could figure this one out they all must be all over it.
 
i retract my vote on HI IQ and vote to lynch JB.his posts do loook like just a lot of words and not like he's digging. he also just posted close to exactly what zaffy said so that he could look like he was innocent.
 
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