Mafia 106: Pokemafia

My reason for questioning AAF was that it seemed like he knew ahead of time that FF was going to place a vote on him, possibly as a distance vote for later...that's probably too strict of an interpretation of his wording, but I figured I'd at least ask.

Not much has transpired on this D1. I'm not sure what to make of Neph and Coler's interaction based on my post either. I will admit it was a bit odd that Neph turned it into a compliment, but I'm going to hold off on my vote until hopefully something a bit more solid comes up.

Sure, Neph put words into my mouth technically, but they weren't the incorrect words. I asked AAF if he knew FF would vote him ie. if they were teammates. That's why I don't understand your suspicion.
 
You'd have to be more specific. I don't like looking too much into mod hits, especially when they involve references to a game I haven't played in over 10 years.

I don't even know how to respond to this... well, actually, I'll try this: Are you kidding with me? That entire post and you have nothing to say except in defending yourself and your choices? No comments on my thoughts about others? Not even an attempt at using google or the links I provided to confirm/deny my thoughts? Did I perchance say something dangerous to you?
 
Yeah I totally get you. I also understand what Coler said about AAF's vote discouraging posting but I doubt anyone on D1 would be worried about catching that vote unless there was already a vote or two on them so I'd call that overthinking it a bit.

As for your points about joke votes and all I totally see your point but, on the flip side, in my (very limited) experience it's people starting with joke votes that gets a couple posts going and starts people talking which is what we need at the start: an ice breaker.

Now I'm all about exploring other ways to start it off but it seems (this could be way off base) that without a bit of lighthearted conversation people are reluctant to start really getting into it for fear of slipping a bit against the likes of you and others with such a meticulous, methodical approach.

That said, I get your point and I'd prefer another way to start off too for a better shot at lynching scum day 1 I'm just not experienced enough to know how else to go about it yet.

I still think AAF was an easy target for scum though. Even assuming Coler is innocent (which I don't really assume right now) that put 2 innocents on AAF and left an easily justifiable reason to finish him off while putting a hit on one of the other AAF voters fully solidifying that it was as simple as picking the way he voted because, heck even a townie voted that way.



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Just in terms of AAF being apparently an easy target for scum - I notice a couple of other posts referencing this which I'll deal with below. I have never played with AAF and have no idea what his/her form is or was. I took them at face value and acted accordingly - to be fair I did also ask for people to say what their experience playing the game is. This was in order to give some context to what might amount to newbie/inexperienced mistakes.

I'll take these one at a time...

I wasn't pointing out anything by saying yours was the first serious vote of the night. What did you take that to mean Coler?

I'll respond as its a direct question on your part. I took it to mean that you were for some reason highlighting what you took as 'joke' votes versus 'serious' votes hence my engaging with your post. I actually think that this is self-evident by the way.

Anyway, your reason for doing so (highlighting my vote as 'first serious vote' is your own and I don't know why you'd do that. My observation now is that a 'joke' vote counts no more or no less than a 'serious' vote, and I'm content with the basis on which I picked my D1 vote, although I'm certainly disappointed that we lynched an innocent.

Next...


AAF has become an easy vote on D1 for many games. It always seems to be possible to write it off as AAF "taking themself out". No I don't think Zaffy was an easy vote. Yes it was a joke vote, but typically easy D1 votes fall to the less strategic players.

The line in bold means (and I haven't done the math) I would guess that 9 times out of 10 when an innocent goes up against a scum in a tie on D1 the innocent gets lynched. Whether this is because the Town has bad luck or there is some tampering by the mods I am not 100% sure. That is just how I typically see it go down.

The first part of this vote - I have no idea what AAF's previous form is as I've never played with them. I didn't select them for my vote for any reason other than what I gave.

Hey guys, has anyone else noticed that Dawg was both voting for Zaffy and that Zaffy said Dawg was a suspect and the Zaffy got killed?

Metric. I get that you are new. I would respond in similar terms as others have which is that while there is a logic to this observation, it is ultimately very circular. Do the scum think 'we definitely shouldn't do that it would expose x - dawg in this instancce' or do they think 'this is the last thing they would suspect. lets do that !'. Its impossible to say which is more likely at this stage of the game so I would not place to much weight in it for now. I'm not trying to shut you down but that is my thought currently.

So you think my vote was an easy one? I voted an innocent and a PR. To tell you the truth I think it was a bad idea for the scum to hit Zaffy when I was the only one on him. Do you think if I was scum trying to hide on an easy lone vote I would hit the lone vote? There is a 0% chance of that ever happening.

This is another instance of circular logic being deployed, but it is interesting that dawg is deploying it on his own behalf. 'I'd never be so stupid to do that if I was scum' just rarely sounds impressive.


I have really very little clue about pokemon and therefore have no idea whether your analysis is any way good or bad.

I tried to answer the rest of this but my computer crashe so here goes...

AAF is an easy vote on D1 almost every game...period end of story! Just like FF used to be.

I just call it like I see it...9 times out of 10 the innocent gets whacked. That is less than 50/50.

Just saying, again, I've never played with AAF. You are quite repetitive on this point though. I also must say that in my experience - which is not very current - your 9 out of 10 statistic is not at all borne out - but I have not played recently. I would point out that if your take on this is correct, and there was a scum (me presumably) up against an innocent, the scum team would be much more likely to leave things on a tie rather than send jpappy into action to break it.

OK those are my thoughts on some of the developments but if I've missed something which I should address feel free to throw it back at me. As regards people who I deem worthy of suspicion I would prefer to reflect on the thread a little more before finalising my current thoughts. It will be probably tomorrow for me before I get around to that (its coming on for midnight here).
 
Sure, Neph put words into my mouth technically, but they weren't the incorrect words. I asked AAF if he knew FF would vote him ie. if they were teammates. That's why I don't understand your suspicion.

'Kay see what I did was throw out a question to Neph and give a bit of feedback on my thought processes during the day. Its what you do when you want to win for the town.
 
I think we can do this all day. It is likely that a scum was on both lead vote getters. I am trying to figure if scum would be the kill vote on day one. I could see Pap risking it.

I guess we have decided to ignore FF's message? I know nothing about the game, only vaguely remember when it was popular.
 
I was wondering about that too. First off the line about not confirming or denying made me wonder if he was supposed to post it but as far as the actual msg goes I like his interpretation so far. It feels like it's a bit complicated though so I'm not sure if it's correct because I'm not sure that we could all be expected to come to that conclusion.

But the drunk part I think is important, the part about whose pet it was I'm not so sure about since I don't know if we could he expected to track it that far. Maybe its speech has something to do with it? Most pokemon just talk in varying octaves emphases of their name but maybe there's something to the name.

But if it is widely known or visible on bulbapedia that it was a team rocket pet then maybe it really is that simple

Anyone care to expand on this?

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I guess we have decided to ignore FF's message? I know nothing about the game, only vaguely remember when it was popular.

No way should it be ignored. The rules say something would be given on the first day. FF claimed to have gotten it, and no one has contradicted him. You have to proceed on the basis that that was a genuine claim. That being so, it does not appear to have been either a hit or a protect, therefore it was a clue.

I think FF has done a solid job in posting up their analysis and giving links to substantiate it.

I have clicked the links in an effort to engage with the analysis but I have to confess that I'm lost and I don't think I'm going to be able to educate myself on pokemon sufficiently to make an informed judgment on whether its right or wrong.
 
Well, the long and short of the links is that Victreebel's only major showing in the show was as James' Pokemon, and that Delibirds aren't (I think) usually that clumsy. I admit, I didn't understand the hint at first (even asked if this meant I got to use my new Victreebel to eat someone lol), but after doing about 5 minutes of reading on the various pokemon in question, that is what I came up with.

I don't really know how to clarify the subject any more then this, and do hope you try to understand the links (only the first two megasections are needed). If you don't understand pokemon or try to, you won't be able to understand any hints you may be given.
 
As much as it pained me to read these pokemon links I think FF may have something here. The delibird is part of Team Rocket (scum) who gives presents to his opponents as its power. The present was given to FF by an apparently drunk delibird. The present was a victreebel which was owned by James. I think this clue points directly at Coler who was talking about being drunk early in the thread.

Coler checking in.

I'm a bit drunk.

That is all.
 
I won't be around for most of the day tomorrow so...I vote to lynch Coler

The clue breaks the tie I have right now between JPap and Coler. I tend to agree with FF on the interpretation after reading up on the links. I'll be around for a bit more tonight. I'll also try to check in before I head out tomorrow but no guarantees. Either way I will be back on before nightfall in case something else comes up.
 
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