Mafia 2014 #1-- FF1 Simple--The Play

[jpappy789]

I think you voted UN because he stated that the scum must like where the vote was going, and then he hopped on the train, and also said that he would reread and come back with other thoughts, to which he didn't.

Bally, so do you agree with Wiz's vote or were you just being flippant with this summary?

You were relatively fixated on Kash D1 from the whole "joke" thing to then voting her because of her reaction/non-reaction to FF's answer.I'm curious whether you have anything on your mind now that we know Kash was innocent.

 

[Fishfriend1]

FF, I don't understand how you cannot see the inconsistencies here...how can you pretend to be answering Zaffy's questions (I say "pretend" because it seems like you are fishing by throwing my name out there based on this "gut feeling" you now have) and then turn around and try to criticize Zaffy for even asking the questions in the first place?

If you think Zaffy posing those questions is a waste of time and "muddying the waters" then why give credence to said questions by attempting to answer them?

What I found to be 'muddying the waters' wasn't his questions (those are good) but the fact that he gives no indication as to his own opinion on the matter. This assuming that he didn't do so and I just missed it while reading.

 

[Ballyhoo]

Bally, so do you agree with Wiz's vote or were you just being flippant with this summary?

You were relatively fixated on Kash D1 from the whole "joke" thing to then voting her because of her reaction/non-reaction to FF's answer.I'm curious whether you have anything on your mind now that we know Kash was innocent.

At this point I don't really disagree or agree with Wiz, I was merely answering the question he posed.
As to how I feel about Kash being innocent? I made a decision to place my vote on her based on what little happenings there were D1, and my decision was obviously incorrect.

 

[jpappy789]

At this point I don't really disagree or agree with Wiz, I was merely answering the question he posed.
As to how I feel about Kash being innocent? I made a decision to place my vote on her based on what little happenings there were D1, and my decision was obviously incorrect.

Wiz's question was basically asking "do you agree with me or not?" and your direct response did nothing really to indicate which way you leaned. All I saw was a brief summary of Wiz's case without any of your own opinions on the matter. If you had no strong opinion, I'm confused why you didn't just say that...

Anyways, I wasn't asking about why you placed your vote, I read your posts and vote. I want to know whether you have any other leads now that you know that Kash was innocent.

 

[jpappy789]

Well don't start posting all at once......

 

[the wizard]

Just got here need to read through the day's posts.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Am I correct with these being the final votes taken at nightfall?

(4) DD by FF1, user, Kashta, Pappy - Innocent, UD/Lynch

(2) Kashta by 2Hobbs, Bally - Innocent, Mafia Hit

(2) Un by wiz, Zaffy

Note: Bold are votes after the last vote update by Bish day 1.

Assuming that the scum team is experienced (which it is, everyone here is experienced) they must have either known how Pappy would vote or been very confident in how pappy would vote + dd not showing up. For the record, Pappy, this is where that gut feeling was coming from. The only surefire way that the scum team could KNOW that Kashta wouldn't be the lynch was if they KNEW that pappy was going to vote for her - and since that meant DD wouldn't be able to save herself even if she voted Kashta it effectively secured Kashta as a valid hit target for the scum team.

As such, I will probably vote Pappy for the 2nd nightfall, unless something comes into play the convinces me otherwise.

 

[the wizard]

2H spent a good amount of time and effort dragging my posts up and asking different players their thoughts about them.

I find it interesting that he didn't commit himself to saying one way or other what his thoughts were. I also find it interesting that if he had a problem or questions about any of my posts, he didn't ask me. The one person that could actually answer.

2H, here in plain view and one place so you can't miss any of them are the posts leading to me voting UN.

So quiet and an hour before nightfall, which leads me to believe the scum like where this is going. Really want to see where everyone else votes to get a better feel for tonight, but I have a party to go in a few minutes and can't hang on here until 7. Rereading a bit more to see if anything really catches my interest

The post below shows he obviously went back and looked at something. Now I cannot imagine as close to nightfall as it was you would go back and look at things and not notice the vote count. Especially after the opening comment he made.

FF's avoiding of the question really bugs me here, it sets himself up to be available or unavailable on a whim, and keeps mentioning all these things he has to do. We get it, you're busy. Most people are busy too. (I also worked a big boy shift today and have a million other things going on) What's scummy is when your schedule seems so important to you, and then your posting completely disregards said busyness.

Then again, you really do seem to be making an effort at finding scum. Nobody (myself included, I'm definitely guilty of this) has been asking a ton of questions or posting a whole ton. In such a small game where voting off nothing is a crapshoot, I feel like voting off people that do contribute to some extent would hurt the town. Im just not sure if FF's posting is actually contributing though, and really don't want to see the game become the FF show.




This stood out to me last night, but I guess I never commented on it. I don't get your arguement here, that those posts werent jokes. I'm pretty sure those weren't to be taken seriously, even if they don't stand up to your sense of humor. Especially when it's Zaffy and Wiz who are both pretty sarcastic.

I don't get the ramifications of calling them jokes or not is anyways. Nothing wrong with kicking bushes, but you're really grasping at straws there

Well, I really want to see more from DD, she hasn't posted anything of substance and Im going to hurt myself deciding if FF is being himself or scummy himself. I don't like Bally's question of what constitutes a joke, but at least it generated some talk. I guess for tonight I'm going to vote to lynch DD. I haven't seen enough to make a good judgement on anyone, and her absence seems the scummiest given how quiet nightfall has been.

I'll try and check in from my phone, but I can't make any promises. PRobobly can't post until later tonight sorry guys

And he votes DD who is on the block.

Okay, I am fighting with a slower than molasses, non responding net book so before night fall hits and I haven't got a vote in,

I vote to lynch DD.

She has made two posts and neither one contributed to the seeking of scum. I also want a vote in so I don't UD because of the netbook handicap.

I will keep looking to see if anything makes me want to change my vote.

This comment was important, Perhaps you skimmed over that part. I knew I needed to get a vote in. I also knew if I needed to change my vote it would have to happen with the explanation to follow in order to get my vote in.
By the way, if you had looked at the thread objectively instead of with an agenda, you would see as JP did that I was typing my vote when UN was posting his and didn't see it untill after voting DD.

This post stood out to me the most. I will change my vote and explain in the next post.

I retract my vote on DD and vote to lynch UN

UN stated he thought the scum liked where it was going. Said he didn't like how quiet it was so close to nightfall. UN has made a couple of comments here and there but hasn't kicked any bushes. Wants to see what others think but doesn't ask any questions.

The biggest thing is he thinks that the scum must like how it is going then votes for one of the only two people with votes on them.

Really? If you think the scum like how it is going you are going to vote their way?

The reason for my vote change.

 

[the wizard]

Am I correct with these being the final votes taken at nightfall?

(4) DD by FF1, user, Kashta, Pappy - Innocent, UD/Lynch

(2) Kashta by 2Hobbs, Bally - Innocent, Mafia Hit

(2) Un by wiz, Zaffy

Note: Bold are votes after the last vote update by Bish day 1.

Assuming that the scum team is experienced (which it is, everyone here is experienced) they must have either known how Pappy would vote or been very confident in how pappy would vote + dd not showing up. For the record, Pappy, this is where that gut feeling was coming from. The only surefire way that the scum team could KNOW that Kashta wouldn't be the lynch was if they KNEW that pappy was going to vote for her - and since that meant DD wouldn't be able to save herself even if she voted Kashta it effectively secured Kashta as a valid hit target for the scum team.

As such, I will probably vote Pappy for the 2nd nightfall, unless something comes into play the convinces me otherwise.

Just a quick note here before going back to earlier posts. What?????

FF, you are assuming a lot of things here. Can you back any of it up?

 

[Fishfriend1]

Just a quick note here before going back to earlier posts. What?????

FF, you are assuming a lot of things here. Can you back any of it up?

Well, the logic seems fairly straightforward. The following things are fact:

1) Until nightfall, DD could have come back and placed a vote on either Kashta OR User in order to create a tie.
2) Until nightfall, Pappy could have voted Kashta OR User and created a tie.
3) The mafia team chose to target Kashta despite the above two statements.

Up until Pappy's vote 1 minute before nightfall, DD could have at least pulled a tie, and if Pappy and DD had both voted on the same other person (assuming they had 2 votes already) it would have spared DD the lynch/UD, and the person mostly likely to get DD's vote would have, I think, been Kashta. Assuming that both Pappy and DD voted either User or Kashta it would have led to a 3 way tie and put the Mafia Hit as a potential lynch, wasting the hit. As such, they must have known that Pappy would vote on DD in order to entrust their hit to Kashta, because if he had placed it on Kashta it would have resulted in a tie, putting their hit at risk of lynch. If he had voted on Kashta and then DD popped in and did so as well to protect herself during the lynch, the hit would have been absolutely wasted.

As such, they were either a) aware of Pappy's vote, b) sure where pappy would vote, or c) been around during nightfall and thus able to switch votes to ensure DD's lynch and Kashta's hit, which would have been rather revealing and doesn't seem like a good plan to me.

Since I doubt many people could have predicted where Pappy's vote would land with enough certainty to place a hit on the runner up until his vote, I must think that Pappy was a member of the scum team.

Make any sense at all or is my logic flawed somehow?