Mafia 2014 #1-- FF1 Simple--The Play

Ah. You are correct in regards to User, but he isn't really involved in this except that he was an extra option. Remove any reference of User, because the argument I have isn't based on User, it's based on wanting to ensure that DD was lynched so that the hit would definitely go through on Kashta.

So you're pulling things with this bias that I was trying to do something scummy, rather than objectively looking at how the voting went down before attempting to make a point?
 
Pappy, my theory is a bit of a stretch I admit, and yes it makes assumptions - but so far the only other theory for why the hit was on Kashta that I've seen is that the scum team is incompetent, which is (as I've stated before) the most illogical possible theory to make in a game without any real 'noob' players. Do you have any more logical theories?

FF, maybe you just don't know the rules. The scum team couldn't make the change from Kashta, only the Don could. Isn't it possible that the don was....oh like at work or something and couldn't post!!
 
All I have to go on is a bunch of WIFOM crap right now. I have been released to work light duty so let me throw some thoughts out there before I clock in.

I have already commented on UN and FF.

Yesterday morning, 2H came on and initial thought from his posting was that he was trying to railroad me to the noose but no one bit or ran with it so he dropped it. What I mean by that is he was concentrating on bringing everything I said up to everybody but not committing himself to anything himself leaving the ability to back out if no one starts to bite. This is a tactic I have seen used by scum often.

Speaking of non committing, Zaffy has proven to be active but hasn't really kicked any bushes to this point. His posts have been relatively generic.

I really don't know what to think at this point as I can't actually pull any posts to prove or disprove anything yet.

Night fall will come and go before I get off work so I will check in at lunch to place my vote. Once placed I will not be able to change it.

Sorry Wiz but I strongly disagree. I do see how that could have felt that, but a already tried to explain my actions to you.

I have never thought someone was scum and then dropped it.
 
Not everything has to be a quasi-omniscient theory, FF. Have you even considered that I am completely uninvolved in any of this? It doesn't seem like it...

Either the scum hit was locked in on Kash and it couldn't have been moved or they just weren't paying attention to the count. Or some other reason that is unexplained because I can't begin to guess what's going on in the scum den with any sort of certainty.

I could very easily turn this around on you FF. You weren't around late in the game day to switch the hit. You could have felt threatened by Kash, who even questioned you D1 as well. If you really want to focus on the Kash hit, there are alternative that do not involve my vote on DD.

If the hit was locked on Kashta than the following people are possible Dons:

Myself - having not been around there for the nightfall, I am obviously a prime suspect for being a Mafia Don. Besides this, I suppose you can say Kashta was questioning me on Day 1 but by that logic the hit would have been you Pappy. Regardless, I can understand fully if people wish to vote me as the Mafia Don.

Bally - They don't appear to have been around during nightfall, and as such they are a suspect.

The above is assuming that Team Scum didn't know where the votes would go or that DD would be the lynch. I have thought about the scum team not including you Pappy, but I find it hard to believe that any active Don would risk their hit on a possible Lynch target.

So you're pulling things with this bias that I was trying to do something scummy, rather than objectively looking at how the voting went down before attempting to make a point?

No, I simply mixed up the timing of the last few votes is all. It isn't very relevant to my argument so I don't see why you make such a big deal on it?

FF, maybe you just don't know the rules. The scum team couldn't make the change from Kashta, only the Don could. Isn't it possible that the don was....oh like at work or something and couldn't post!!

I am well aware that my being away makes me look bad. I do not argue that point. I argue that Pappy voted DD in order to ensure that the Lynch wasn't also the Hit. Also, the sarcasm wasn't appreciated.
 
Just to clarify, I am doing all of my theories based on the Don being the only person who can place a hit or change it.
 
Game Rules:

1. Each game day, ACville towns folk will vote to lynch someone before nightfall. The towns folk consist of Innocents and Mafia.

2. To place your lynch vote, simply state, IN BOLD, "I vote to lynch XXXX...." If you do not vote in BOLD, it will not be counted.

3. You must vote each game "day", but you cannot vote for No One or yourself. If you fail to vote you will die an untimely death that nightfall.

4. If you decide to switch your vote, state IN BOLD you are doing so, by stating "I retract my vote on....".

5. Whoever has the most votes will be lynched; in the event of a tie the loser will be randomly chosen.


The priority of night time will be as follows:

Doctor's protection
Lynch
Mafia's hit
Detective's investigation
Untimely deaths

1. Everything stays in the game, no PMing people and setting up deals or alliances, or discussing issues in this game on other sites. The sole exception to this rule, is the authorization by me for special role players to do so. I will provide a chat link for those able to communicate.

2. You can say whatever you want in this game, but you can not prove it with my PM to you.

3. If you have questions, PM me or email me at rbishop1@nc.rr.com . If it is important to all, I will post it in the game thread. I prefer PM for game issues.

4. Do not edit your posts for any reason!!! Just don't.

5. No after death posts, if you must please keep them to a minimum. No revealing any additional information! If you are dead, you are dead.

6. THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE. This is a game, it is meant to be fun. In the course of the game your words will be twisted, misinterpreted, and taken in various contexts so it important to realize that the group of players here are generally good natured and mean nothing by it. Do not take anything said in game by anyone to be a personal attack or insult. If you feel that you are being personally attacked or insulted let me know and I will take action if I feel it is necessary.

7. In the case that unforeseen circumstances arise I reserve the right to alter or amend rules in order to maintain the game as needed. Again, if you have issues please speak to me in private.

Specific Game Mechanics:

Innocent Townies: You win when all of the mafia are eliminated. Dead innocents may communicate in a private thread which will be provided by me.

(>1) Innocents: ACville has once again been infested by the mafia. Your mission is to eradicate them by voting to lynch someone each night.

(1) Doctor: Fresh out of medical school you feel obligated to help save the citizens of ACville. Each night you may PM me a name who will then become immune from the hit. You cannot stop the lynching and you may not save yourself. You may privately communicate with the Detective.

(1) Detective: You have the ability to snoop through the background of the citizens of the town in order to root out the mafia. Each night you will be granted an investigation result on the person of your choosing. All roles will be revealed.


Mafia Townies: You win when your team controls at least 50% of the town. Each night you can hit one player. If the attempted hit is protected by the doctor then the hit will not work.

(1) The Don: You are head of the mafia and hope to eradicate enough innocents in order to take over ACville. You may communicate with other member(s) of your team. Upon your death you may continue to communicate with the other mafia players. Each night you need to PM me who you desire to have hit.

(?) Mafia member: You are a minion of the Don and may communicate with other mafia players. If the Don is killed you may continue to send names for the hit each night. Upon your death you may continue to communicate with your teammates.

Untimely Deaths (UDs):
Please don't sign up if you are not going to play as it just ruins the game for everyone. Again, you will die a humiliating death if you do not vote every game day. If you must remove yourself from the game please PM me and your role will be revealed the next nightfall. If you post that you are leaving then I will take that as an official death request. No exceptions.

The Players:

wizard
Kashta
jpappy
TwoHobbies
user_name
Zaffy
FF1
DD
Ballyhoo



Nightfall Day One Will Be 7PM ESDT Sunday, April 6th




Game On!

Is this not clear JP
 
If any scum teammate can send in the hit than I'll be withdrawing my vote on Pappy. If it needs to be the Don until his/her death than it stays on Pappy. I too would like clarification now on that, because of the below:

(1) The Don: You are head of the mafia and hope to eradicate enough innocents in order to take over ACville. You may communicate with other member(s) of your team. Upon your death you may continue to communicate with the other mafia players. Each night you need to PM me who you desire to have hit.

(?) Mafia member: You are a minion of the Don and may communicate with other mafia players. If the Don is killed you may continue to send names for the hit each night. Upon your death you may continue to communicate with your teammates.
 
If the hit was locked on Kashta than the following people are possible Dons:

Myself - having not been around there for the nightfall, I am obviously a prime suspect for being a Mafia Don. Besides this, I suppose you can say Kashta was questioning me on Day 1 but by that logic the hit would have been you Pappy. Regardless, I can understand fully if people wish to vote me as the Mafia Don.

Bally - They don't appear to have been around during nightfall, and as such they are a suspect.

The above is assuming that Team Scum didn't know where the votes would go or that DD would be the lynch. I have thought about the scum team not including you Pappy, but I find it hard to believe that any active Don would risk their hit on a possible Lynch target.



No, I simply mixed up the timing of the last few votes is all. It isn't very relevant to my argument so I don't see why you make such a big deal on it?



I am well aware that my being away makes me look bad. I do not argue that point. I argue that Pappy voted DD in order to ensure that the Lynch wasn't also the Hit. Also, the sarcasm wasn't appreciated.

How could 2 people possibly know where 4 votes would land. Look at the time line again.

DD had ONE post and was the biggest UD risk in the game, why would that make her a lynch candidate.
 
How could 2 people possibly know where 4 votes would land. Look at the time line again.

DD had ONE post and was the biggest UD risk in the game, why would that make her a lynch candidate.

I am confused. What game thread are YOU reading? What does DD being a UD risk have to do with Kashta being a lynch candidate? And when did I say anything about 4 votes?
 
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