New canisters?

i dont really see how bio-wheels are unproven.... but then again i dont see how they are proven. They are just used to keep the biological away from the mechanical and a way to not need to clean the biological. You could easily say wet dry trickle filters are unproven.

I like bio-wheels since the wheel is not a mechanical filter therefor you dont need to clean it on a monthly basis.
 
I have heard of people fully cycling brand new tanks just by adding an established biowheel.

But if you want my opinion on this biological filtration bit - it's far overrated. Tell me how people will go nuts with wet/dry systems, trickle systems, biowheels, stuffing crazy amounts of biomedia into their canister filters, etc...when the amount of bacteria is only proportionate to the amount of waste a tank produces...and no tank unless it is literally stuffed to the gills with fish and is never, ever maintained will ever require even a fraction of the amount of space people go crazy trying to provide for that bacteria.

Honestly, in order to exceed the amount of necessary bacteria vs. available space for that bacteria, your tank would have to be so ridiculously overstocked it's scary.

So wet/dry, biowheels, etc...all completely unnecessary if you're being honest and realistic. Though I will say I do like the biowheels because that way I never have to worry about going through a mini-cycle. But the same can be said for a few ceramic rings or crushed lava rock in your canister. Just as long as there is something very porous and never removed from the tank, you should always be fine.
 
i see your point but its all about playing safe. How can you know exactly how much surface area you need for your tanks bioload?

Wet dry isnt all about surface area, its used so the water is very oxygen rich letting the bacteria do its job better.
 
You can't get any more oxygen into the system unless it is pressurized.

All this talk about proper agitation for gas exchange. Which relates to the oxygen being there to all the water, not just the water as it passes thru the filter.

Almost all of the filter stuff is salesmanship trying to sell something that really doesn't do anything different than than just leaving it alone and running a sponge filter.
 
I wouldnt jump on it JUST yet. Marineland doesnt have any expreience with making canister filter, so their first canister is bound to be flawed.
 
legendaryfrog said:
I wouldnt jump on it JUST yet. Marineland doesnt have any expreience with making canister filter, so their first canister is bound to be flawed.
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wait what? They got magnums
 
legendaryfrog said:
I wouldnt jump on it JUST yet. Marineland doesnt have any expreience with making canister filter, so their first canister is bound to be flawed.
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Hummm.....:confused:
 
Yeah Magnum has been around for many, many years. So Marineland has lots of experience in canister filters.

But I gotta second rbishop - most of that stuff they sell you has no real purpose.

Like I said before, for as much waste as there is, there will be bacteria to feed on it. All it takes is one filter to keep the water circulating and allow gas exchange, surface area for the stuff to grow on, and some ammonia.

This is why people have just as much biological filter success with a simple sponge or HOB as they do with elaborate wet/dry systems. And as a matter of fact, water doesn't even need to be filtered for the bacteria to work. I once did an experiment with an empty fish bowl where I filled it with water, and put a drop of ammonia in it every few days. In three weeks or so, the ammonia and nitrite were gone and the nitrates started to appear. The only surface area was glass and the water was completely still the whole time. That should finalize the importance of all this overblown biomedia crap.
 
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