72 Gallon Bow Front Tank Journal/Build!!!

[Fishfriend1]

They can't trust anything..they are not at that level of development. They sleep...they die. Simple. Brash physical trauma works as does a sharp knife.

I personally disagree with this. While I don't think all fish can feel "trust" I do think that some, like Koi and other long-lived fish can indeed learn to trust someone or something. In a manner, at least.

id rather my nose burn then freeze to death

And that is the key in this issue. It's all a matter of preference. Regardless of HOW you kill them, be it cutting their head off or freezing them or using vodka, the end result is the same: they die.

 

[Rbishop]

lmao FF!...A long lived fish has greater sensory and conceptual feelings than a short lived one? ROTHFLMAO

 

[platytudes]

LOL Bob, I think he means a larger fish with more of a brain also...I mean, goldfish and oscars can learn to do tricks and other amazing stuff! Try teaching that to a black skirt tetra.

 

[Rbishop]

Larger brain doesn't mean more concept capabilities...just more body issues to control. Regardless of the physical size of the brain, it doesn't equate to "trust" function. His post was long LIVED btw.

 

[Fishfriend1]

lmao FF!...A long lived fish has greater sensory and conceptual feelings than a short lived one? ROTHFLMAO

Not necessarily. What I meant by that was this: A longer lived fish is more likely to be capable of looking at something and thinking (on whatever level it thinks) "Is this safe or is this to be feared?" My fish (tetras mostly) are still scared if me. However, the Gourami is not. There is a level of trust in the Gourami that allows it to come towards me when I arrive at the tank, it doesn't think I'm going to scoop it and kill it. Hence, it trusts me not to.

LOL Bob, I think he means a larger fish with more of a brain also...I mean, goldfish and oscars can learn to do tricks and other amazing stuff! Try teaching that to a black skirt tetra.

Wrong again. Read above bit.

Larger brain doesn't mean more concept capabilities...just more body issues to control. Regardless of the physical size of the brain, it doesn't equate to "trust" function. His post was long LIVED btw.

Long Lived? Huh?

 

[blue2fyre]

opcorn:

 

[platytudes]

What do you mean huh? This is what you said:

While I don't think all fish can feel "trust" I do think that some, like Koi and other long-lived fish can indeed learn to trust someone or something. In a manner, at least.

FWIW, plenty of long lived fish, such as Synodontis eupterus, are extremely skittish by nature. If you were to anthropomorphize this behavior, it would seem as though they don't trust you.

I agree with Bob, fish can't "trust" - but some fish are smarter than others, and some can acquire very endearing traits. Speaking of, here's a neat article I read today:
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/content.php?sid=4197

 

[Fishfriend1]

opcorn:

We ARE entertaining, aren't we

What do you mean huh? This is what you said:

While I don't think all fish can feel "trust" I do think that some, like Koi and other long-lived fish can indeed learn to trust someone or something. In a manner, at least.

FWIW, plenty of long lived fish, such as Synodontis eupterus, are extremely skittish by nature. If you were to anthropomorphize this behavior, it would seem as though they don't trust you.

I agree with Bob, fish can't "trust" - but some fish are smarter than others, and some can acquire very endearing traits. Speaking of, here's a neat article I read today:
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/content.php?sid=4197

Each to their own then. As I've said before, these are matters of perspective. If you or Bob can find me a nice article that states clearly how and why fish can't feel "trust" on any level, then I may agree (if the article can convince me to). Short of that, AFAIK, we just don't know for sure if they can or can't.

Chocolate? Nice. Bet that fish needed to go to the dentist's office

 

[Rbishop]

Here's a long lived one....

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[platytudes]

LMAO

I think that's an invasive fish, our outlet stores are choked with them. Their spawns seem to be especially prolific around the retail holiday season...