A look at GH and magnesium.

Good post.


However, I have a hard time, I even suspect experts, have a hard time of making that thing accurate. Yellowing of leaf margins--multiple causes. Yellowing of old leaves--multiple causes. Spotting--multiple causes. etc.

You have to know the whole picture, water quality, what has been done, what has been added, what is in play (carbon, zeolite, etc.)

Now, don't get me wrong, getting in the ball park is good. But, having some interpret this as 'the word of god' is not that good.

Dumping stuff, adding stuff, throwing stuff, complete tear-downs, etc. is the stuff of paranoia. Usually, there is just one thing, maybe two at the max., fix them, you have fixed the problem.

As always, you can fix this, you can fix that, but when you fix 'the right thing' it is always quite obvious. And then, things always start getting better.

Perhaps, I should have added, you are getting off topic? Naaaa! LOL
 
Next, you are just going to tell me I only though I had problems, right? LOL

I have more than double the hardness and am replenishing what ever is lost weekly (I got the impression from another thread of yours that you are more lax on the wcs). I can't say anything more about your tank than you can say about mine ;)
 
Do I hear you correctly?

I have more than double the hardness and am replenishing what ever is lost weekly (I got the impression from another thread of yours that you are more lax on the wcs). I can't say anything more about your tank than you can say about mine ;)

Dude, I am really saying nothing about your tank(s).

If I had hardness like yours, I would not replenish anything. If you see KH go below 30 and GH much below 100, I would, most definitely add those hard-nesses back. I would highly suspect that calcium and magnesium, and the lack thereof, are NOT your problems.

Are we on the same page?
 
Dude, I am really saying nothing about your tank(s).

If I had hardness like yours, I would not replenish anything. If you see KH go below 30 and GH much below 100, I would, most definitely add those hard-nesses back. I would highly suspect that calcium and magnesium, and the lack thereof, are NOT your problems.

Are we on the same page?

Oh no I got that. I'm just saying that I was not commenting on your situation.
 
I guess I just don't get you?

Oh no I got that. I'm just saying that I was not commenting on your situation.

Yes, my water is halfway soft as it come from the tap. If I do no water changes, and add no additives, it goes to the point of very, very soft. This is the situation you were commenting on? I mean it takes virtually nothing to swing PH from below to above and the opposite. I add calcium and magnesium to compensate.

I am sorry, I can appear very dense, or even stupid at times, until I fully understand. Perhaps I responded inappropriately? If so, sorry.

But then, you were not commenting on anything; I got that.
 

What one nutrient is missing and is 40% or more of the plant's biomass, that is non limiting in terrestrial plants, but very often limiting aquatic plants?

What are those nutrient deficiencies based on? Aquatic plants or agricultural crops?

Those tables are poor IME, confusing and really hard to tell what is what for the people they are intended to help. I have plenty of experience with nutrients to draw from.

The OP has 30ppm Ca, let's suppose this is correct(it might not be), this would demand a massive amount of plant growth long before any limitation at any growth rate would cause an issue, I've ever seen any Ca++ confirm deficiencies to date, they are extremely rare(but they may occur in some rare cases, typically, not your cases).

What people see mostly is CO2 issues, they involved twist tip growth, due to lack of carbon building blocks. Ca is easy to measure and rule out, CO2 is anything but..............

Folks think they know everything about CO2, then look to blame every nutrient there is but the one that causes the most issue. This does no one any good.

My tap is now super soft sierra snow melt, KH is barely 1degree, the Gh is 1-2 degrees, I add some Gh booster, not a lot, but I do not need much either. Maybe bump it a degree of two, I never adjust KH.
No need.

Adding more GH is fine though, does not harm, can bring out some colors.
I've had GH is the 24 degree and higher ranges.


Regards,
Tom Barr
 
However, I have a hard time, I even suspect experts, have a hard time of making that thing accurate. Yellowing of leaf margins--multiple causes. Yellowing of old leaves--multiple causes. Spotting--multiple causes. etc.

I think it's pretty useless, but whoever did it up, put some work into it.
I doubt they'd like my assessment:cry:

You have to know the whole picture, water quality, what has been done, what has been added, what is in play (carbon, zeolite, etc.)

Now, don't get me wrong, getting in the ball park is good. But, having some interpret this as 'the word of god' is not that good.

Plant gods are pretty low key:rolleyes:

Dumping stuff, adding stuff, throwing stuff, complete tear-downs, etc. is the stuff of paranoia. Usually, there is just one thing, maybe two at the max., fix them, you have fixed the problem. As always, you can fix this, you can fix that, but when you fix 'the right thing' it is always quite obvious. And then, things always start getting better.

Perhaps, I should have added, you are getting off topic? Naaaa! LOL

Since you are the OP, I have doubts it's anything to do with Ca++, if it's 30ppm as Ca++, even 10ppm is fine or less. If you do water changes and dose some, you are fine. Say 1 tsp of GH booster per 50-60 Gal of tank 1-2x a week, even with high growth rates.........

Adding more might help a little with colors, but will not enhance rates of growth really.

Regards,
Tom Barr
 
Yes, my water is halfway soft as it come from the tap. If I do no water changes, and add no additives, it goes to the point of very, very soft. This is the situation you were commenting on? I mean it takes virtually nothing to swing PH from below to above and the opposite. I add calcium and magnesium to compensate.

I am sorry, I can appear very dense, or even stupid at times, until I fully understand. Perhaps I responded inappropriately? If so, sorry.

But then, you were not commenting on anything; I got that.

No worries.
 
Well.

What one nutrient is missing and is 40% or more of the plant's biomass, that is non limiting in terrestrial plants, but very often limiting aquatic plants?

What are those nutrient deficiencies based on? Aquatic plants or agricultural crops?

Those tables are poor IME, confusing and really hard to tell what is what for the people they are intended to help. I have plenty of experience with nutrients to draw from.

The OP has 30ppm Ca, let's suppose this is correct(it might not be), this would demand a massive amount of plant growth long before any limitation at any growth rate would cause an issue, I've ever seen any Ca++ confirm deficiencies to date, they are extremely rare(but they may occur in some rare cases, typically, not your cases).

What people see mostly is CO2 issues, they involved twist tip growth, due to lack of carbon building blocks. Ca is easy to measure and rule out, CO2 is anything but..............

Folks think they know everything about CO2, then look to blame every nutrient there is but the one that causes the most issue. This does no one any good.

My tap is now super soft sierra snow melt, KH is barely 1degree, the Gh is 1-2 degrees, I add some Gh booster, not a lot, but I do not need much either. Maybe bump it a degree of two, I never adjust KH.
No need.

Adding more GH is fine though, does not harm, can bring out some colors.
I've had GH is the 24 degree and higher ranges.


Regards,
Tom Barr

There is sufficient text there, in your post. Direct, to the point, but rather cryptic. So, let me read it, and then ...

Let me be more blunt. I, as of lately, enjoy pumping nutrients to the max., but, below toxic levels, hopefully, enough below those levels as to where they do no harm to 'true' occupants of that tank, in fact, I enjoy seeing these occupants excel, not only in growth, but in vigor--or, in other words, the fish, invertebrates, etc., anything not a plant, but, in fact, I love the plants also. Now, terrestrial plants as opposed to aquatic plants, you state an obvious difference, and, you make a good point, there is a difference.

Impressive, high sierra snow melt. Perhaps it falls from the realms of the gods?

Anyway, CO2 is simply carbon dioxide. I could expel my breath, through a hose, into the tank, and supply an over-abundance in my tank to satisfy the most demanding plants. I could add any of many types of sugars, into the tank, those sugars then broken down by micro-organisms, and carbon dioxide released, to satisfy the hunger of those plants. I could have a cylinder of CO2 feeding the water column with the gas, feeding this hunger. I could ferment yeast with sugar, and the gas released feed the need. There are chemicals I could add. I could use dry ice in an enclosed container, vented though tubing to an air stone or diffuser, to the tank. Yes, I can do all these things, and so can you.

Or, fish waste, excess food, and the air can supply it, carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide as a miracle, as scientific, as difficult to supply? No, indeed, a neglected aquarium can, quite easily, kill the occupants with an abundance of carbon dioxide. Decaying vegetation can raise levels of CO2 to well beyond toxic.

Enough, or macros taken to just below toxic levels? A good thing. Micros taken to the same extreme? A good thing. CO2 in plentiful supply? A good thing. High calcium? A good thing? High Magnesium? Already covered, I consider it nothing more than a micro, a good thing.

High Sierra snow melt supplying anything even resembling a nutrient? I think not.

But, if it flows over granite, perhaps. Ground and powdered granite is one of the form of minerals used in agriculture to provide micro-nutrients to the crops we eat. The net will provide all you need to verify this.

Yes, there are gods. But, my aquarium is not under their control, direction, rules, or guidance. I will take care of that.

And you, you are not even a messenger of god. Thank you.
 
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