Activated Carbon VS. No Carbon?

Interesting because I have to use Clout at work as an Ich treatment which I think is the same thing (or maybe it's malachite green, I think, and maybe it's a little different). The tanks treated are off the main system, and have no carbon filtration. The color is always gone within two hours. But like I sad, maybe it is different than MB, I don't know my chemicals all that well.
Clout is neither MB or MG. It's Trichlorfon, an organophosphate compound very similar to pesticides.
 
Carbon does a fine job of removing iodine from the water which molting crustaceans wouldn't appreciate.

Actually, iodine is absolutely unessential to the molting process. It will induce it because it is one means in which they sequester and discard iodine, but they absolutely don't need it to molt.
 
Actually, iodine is absolutely unessential to the molting process. It will induce it because it is one means in which they sequester and discard iodine, but they absolutely don't need it to molt.
As much as I tend to believe believe everything you say I'll need some independent verification to dispel the idea that you are so full of excrement your eyes are brown. Please quote your source.
 
It's difficult to find, but talk to any invertebrate zoologists. You can try a search on crustacean molting and iodine, but there's nothing there, because there is no correlation. The only thing you'll find googling it is from hobbyist websites, not peer review texts and journals. It is an creation of the hobby. It was never something that was proven to begin with. There is one study that proves that dietary iodine is important, but it is for many things. Plus, most foods have plenty of that--freshwater and marine.
 
It's difficult to find, but talk to any invertebrate zoologists. You can try a search on crustacean molting and iodine, but there's nothing there, because there is no correlation. The only thing you'll find googling it is from hobbyist websites, not peer review texts and journals. It is an creation of the hobby. It was never something that was proven to begin with. There is one study that proves that dietary iodine is important, but it is for many things. Plus, most foods have plenty of that--freshwater and marine.
So there've been no studies which would stand scientific scrutiny to say one way or another, but there is a mountain of anecdotal evidence that it helps. Looking at it that way...... although I agree that dietary iodine could likely suffice in many cases.
 
Personally, I only use carbon to remove medicines. Carbon is one of those topics that people just can't seem to agree on. I know aquarists who swear by it, and others who swear against it.

Carbon is indeed an effective tool in keeping water clear and with the right knowledge can be very useful. However, I feel that it is not necessary to have on a regular basis, though I doubt it is harmful to do so. My only problem with carbon is that it might mislead new fishkeepers to believe that their water is "clean and perfect" when in reality, it might be far from it. Also, a new aquarist might even start to rely on it to pick up some of the slack and get a bit lazy with maintenance. I'd prefer people build up the right habits first and then use it once they know what they are doing, but that's just my 2 cents.
 
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For all of its benefits the primary and outstanding reason I like carbon is becasue teaspoon (carbon) for semi-tractor truck load (other media), carbon out performs all other media for bio filtration then anything else on the market except Perlite and vermiculite which come close. Most everybody just considers carbon exclusively a chemical filtration media completely missing its overwhelming surface area for bacteria colonization.

You wont fine water reclamation or treatment plants using bio balls, ceramic rings or sponges to both detox and colonize beatifically bacteria to treat raw sewage with almost profound results.

Knowing what I know, have learned and experienced in my career with respect to carbon, saying that it has little benefit for uses in filtration (water or air) is like saying a car with enough ground clearance has little need for tires, IMHO.

Incidentally if your interested in commercial / pharmaceutical quality bulk carbon of different types and grit sizes here is the place to buy it.
http://www.apswater.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=157&cat=Activated+Carbon
 
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Wouldn't vermiculite float? Must admit never thought of using it for bio-material.........Just as long as fish aren't susceptible to mesothelioma......(jk)
 
Both need to be in a canister that has good segregation becasue of its initial buoyancy. The only problem is its hard to find both in small quantities without fertilizer additives. Some pool companies are now carrying Perlite because its works so much better then diatomaceous earth in pool sand filters and is 1/10 the weight. Both are extremely light, Im just not that crazy about having to order a huge bag from the factory. Besides not being readily available in manageable quantities another down side is that it is no where near as good as carbon for chemical filtration and cannot be recharged as far as I know, but then again I believe pure Perlite from the factory or wholesaler is less than 1/4 the price of carbon by bulk so allot of medial and bio chemical companies use it as desposable filtration media.
 
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