Amazon River Disaster & Global Warming Facts

happypoet said:
There's no point in arguing if climate change is man-made. The vast majority of climate scientists think that it is, and while they could be wrong, their best guess is way better than anyone's on here. Anyone who thinks it's not man-made has an agenda and then finds "facts" to support it (a tremendously common type of thinking, sadly), rather than looking at all available information and drawing conclusions from them. So there's no point in arguing with them.

Now what to do about it? I tend to think if we manage to save the planet as it currently is, it will be through new technologies that clean the environment and sequester things that are harmful to it. This is far more likely than trying to get massive cultural and political changes. It's good for everyone to try to do their part, but in the end it's not terribly efficient when dirty technologies are cheaper for most of the developing world. And who is any developed nation to tell emerging countries they shouldn't use those dirty technologies, when they're the main reason the developed countries are where they are?

I walk everywhere, I don't eat meat or dairy (a MASSIVE part of anyone's carbon footprint, though environmental reasons are not at the heart of this decision for me), when I had the option in Wisconsin, I paid more to power company to supply my household's electricity from wind farms, I recycle, I try not to buy junk I don't need, etc., etc., etc.

Does all of this make a real difference? Nope.
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The same can be said of those that think it is man-made.....just saying....:raspberry:
 
I think the only real piece of data that laypersons can understand is that the vast majority of climate scientists, the people best qualified to make these judgements, are in general agreement.

This isn't like a song, where in some regards a teen's reaction to it can be just as legitimate as a trained musicologists. This is science, and when there's consensus, even if it still might be wrong, I think it's best to make decisions personal and political based on the consensus. Especially when the consequences of not doing so are potentially disastrous.
 
The problem with that is, there are just as many more than qualified climate scientists that would disagree...your use of "majority" is a bit one sided statement in and of its self. The consequences are only dangerous if the end results prove you wrong.....
 
Bish, for all your claims of there not being much of a consensus, if you remember, the last global warming thread was surprisingly lean on credible information arguing the deniers side. Basically all of the moneyed interest have much to gain from the deniers position being the right one. With all that funding, why are they producing so little scientific literature making their case?
 
IMO, id doesn't matter whats causing it, its here and we have to do our best to fix it.

Besides that point, its not "man-made" its "man-aided". All we've done is make it faster and worse, not actually creating it. This "global warming" is not new. Human civilization has all existed in a warm period between the last ice age and the next one. The only difference between this warm period and the last one is the speed at which its getting warm and that humans are here. Humans have weakened the life on earth, so now it will struggle to survive, but humans did not create global warming. Just to clear that up.
 
I think we are in the process of 'fixing' it. These kinds of changes on a global scale take a lot of time to implement and even more time to see results. There is no quick fix nor is there any reason to panic and go around screaming "the sky is falling!" The Earth has weathered far worse and life will survive just fine.
Global warming is one of those 'relatively' new problems man-kind has become aware of and has to deal with on an ever changing planet. Once fertile regions may become deserts and vice versa. (this has happened countless times during our existence). We will have to seriously rethink agriculture and population growth on large time scales. Who knows what this planet will hold for us 2-3K years from now...though, I imagine our knowledge and technology will have solved most presently complicated weather/climate related issues by then if we haven't pushed ourselves near extinction.
Personally, I believe most climate changes can be attributed to our own Sun and that could very well be impossible to control even for the most advanced civilizations.
 
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Rbishop said:
The problem with that is, there are just as many more than qualified climate scientists that would disagree...
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Where are they and who are they? That's what I wonder.

Are they the scientists on the Heartland Institute's "500 Scientists Whose Research Contradicts Man-Made Global Warming Scares" list? There's a lot of controversy over that one, considering all the dead and imaginary people, not to mention the ones who demanded their name be taken off the list:
http://lightbucket.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/the-heartland-institutes-500-scientist-list/

Someday, I am certain the question of whether global warming is man made or not is going to be akin to the question of whether or not cigarettes are bad for you. The evidence just keeps mounting, and all that can refute it is to shrug it off as part of the "liberal media takeover"...

It's so much like the evolution doubting (the same camp of people, too) except this is actually happening NOW.
 
platytudes said:
Where are they and who are they? That's what I wonder.

Are they the scientists on the Heartland Institute's "500 Scientists Whose Research Contradicts Man-Made Global Warming Scares" list? There's a lot of controversy over that one, considering all the dead and imaginary people, not to mention the ones who demanded their name be taken off the list:
http://lightbucket.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/the-heartland-institutes-500-scientist-list/

Someday, I am certain the question of whether global warming is man made or not is going to be akin to the question of whether or not cigarettes are bad for you. The evidence just keeps mounting, and all that can refute it is to shrug it off as part of the "liberal media takeover"...

It's so much like the evolution doubting (the same camp of people, too) except this is actually happening NOW.
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Global Warming is NOT man made. It was here before us,and will be here after us. We just helped it along.
 
happypoet said:
It is a majority, and a strong one. It's not one-sided. It's factual.
Heck, the WSJ admitted this.
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Show me a poll, from a non-biased source, that polled and ALL CLIMATE CLIMATE SCIENTISTS RESPONDED.....
 
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