Amazon River Disaster & Global Warming Facts

Jtang said:
I'm not going to lie, after reading all nine pages, I'm pretty upset with this thread.
I was aiming to find conversations about the species that were involved and what species where in critical conditions in terms of being wiped out, not hearing about how destructive the human race is as a whole, or what even caused it. We will truly never understand what really caused this drought, we may have facts of what may have contributed to the cause but in the end WE really don't know.
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I'm sorry it upsets you that this thread focused on the second part of the title much more than the first - Global Warming Facts. If you start up a thread with a title like that, you are bound to get a lot of attention on the more controversial issue.

I agree with Inka that another thread about the Amazon River disaster (minus climate change discussion) would be interesting.

I'm sure you read Heiko's piece. He seems to have no doubt about global warming being real, and much worse than we think. I quote:
"The fact is that global warming has, from what I have seen during the last decade while doing research in aquatic habitats around the globe, increased by at least tenfold and I think that global warming is 100 times worse than what we are told."

His article lists other reasons (not just global warming) for the present Amazon River disaster, especially the 100 dams Brazil's president authorized.

So really, I have to disagree with you on the "we will truly never understand what really caused this drought, we may have facts ... but in the end WE really don't know"

We do know - a mixture of manmade destruction (which is likely rooted in greed, lack of foresight, and ignorance) and natural calamity.

I'm fairly certain that no matter how much evidence piles up to support global warming (and evolution, for that matter) it will always be one of those "we don't really know" subjects, like why dinosaurs became extinct. Similar to the way Columbus will always have been the one to discover America, even if history disproves it.
 
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Taking the secular and most popular view of Darwin's theory of evolution, which I must admit has pretty well been accepted as fact being the only freely accepted belief system in almost all institutionalized sectors of society without prejudice. With respect to that fact I really don't understand what all the concern is about. Man is merely acting as a product of evolution and therefor must be acting in accordance with the planets natural evolutionary course, which includes all of our actions and impacts upon the plant without the superstitious redirect of good or bad, right or wrong. To think that we are somehow outside the evolutionary course of how we are impacting the planet for what a few might try and purpose as good or bad for the planet is paramount to purposeful-creative belief system. No, according to the consistent theory of mindless and purposeless evolution the end result of all mans actions must justify the end results of mans free actions upon the planet.
According to secular science mans impact on the evolutionary clock is 2 seconds out of the 24 hour evolution of this planet and will have absolutely no noticeable impact compared to the planets other cataclysmic evolutionary history. In essence monkey-man (you & I) will be merely go extinct clearing the path for the next form of advanced intellectual species which according to happenstance laws of evolution, may not be monkey-man but perhaps spider-man, bat-man, iron-man, or even aqua-man. :rofl:
 
Beautiful exercise in subtlety, Gunner!
 
platytudes said:
I'm sorry it upsets you that this thread focused on the second part of the title much more than the first - Global Warming Facts. If you start up a thread with a title like that, you are bound to get a lot of attention on the more controversial issue.

I agree with Inka that another thread about the Amazon River disaster (minus climate change discussion) would be interesting.

I'm sure you read Heiko's piece. He seems to have no doubt about global warming being real, and much worse than we think. I quote:
"The fact is that global warming has, from what I have seen during the last decade while doing research in aquatic habitats around the globe, increased by at least tenfold and I think that global warming is 100 times worse than what we are told."

His article lists other reasons (not just global warming) for the present Amazon River disaster, especially the 100 dams Brazil's president authorized.

So really, I have to disagree with you on the "we will truly never understand what really caused this drought, we may have facts ... but in the end WE really don't know"

We do know - a mixture of manmade destruction (which is likely rooted in greed, lack of foresight, and ignorance) and natural calamity.

I'm fairly certain that no matter how much evidence piles up to support global warming (and evolution, for that matter) it will always be one of those "we don't really know" subjects, like why dinosaurs became extinct. Similar to the way Columbus will always have been the one to discover America, even if history disproves it.
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My main problem with Heiko's article is his use of hyperbole, ie "global warming is 100X worse than we are told"
It's pretty hypocritical to say something like that and to also expect to be taken seriously in a scientific discussion.
 
I don't doubt the climate is changing and warming, as it is wont to do, nor do I doubt that human activity contributes to it. The questions I would have asked the scientists are these:

1. Destruction of the Planet appears to be a political issue. Do you think that bias hinders the average person's objectivity? ... Yes ... No

2. Who's responsible for the sun getting hotter?
...Republicans ...Democrats

3. If we believe we can Save the Planet, when it takes us years to get over an earthquake or hurricane, would we be:
...Arrogant ...Delusional

4. Would you agree that humans are just a hair on an elephant's *** in the scheme of things?
...Yes ...No
 
I find myself in almost total agreement with Sub. John, we had a similar discussion at our local forum here in Houston. My arguements were similar to yours; it's happening, no one will ever be able to prove fault. Figure out how to cope. Earth's climate is in a state of almost constant flux. There have been several extinction events in earth's history. There will be more. Whether we are here afterwards is up to us. If we are selected for extinction, the earth will heal itself of whatever wounds we inflict on it.

The loss of so many global species is tragic...just like last time.

Mark
 
i agree with most people on here...and its sad and a horrible thing and we will lose so many fish..

but this is nature...its part of nature WE are part of nature..yes we will lose allot of fish..but allot of fish survive..and will change to create new fish..different types ..things adapt and evolve...they change how they survive to there environment...yes its devastating to the fish population ..being humans we try to save things..like when Yellow Stone national park burned down..every one cried to save it..but when it started to grow back there was so much diversity and sooo many animals coming back..they had to re introduce predators..

im not saying this is a good thing..or a bad thing..i feel sorry for the people and all the fish...but it is a part of nature...

just my thoughts..
 
Happypoet did you actually read the survey that you linked as proof that man is the only cause of global warming? The survey basically states that global warming is a natural event. The poll is on whether or not people believe humans are impacting global warming.

My take on this is that global warming is a natural event that is being manipulated by mankind. Some species are meant to die out. I think the polar bear may be one. It has become too specialized and I feel even with a normal rate of global warming it would be unable to adapt. It still has a chance to prove me wrong though.

Yes I do think that we should lessen our impact ,but I do not think we can stop global warming anymore than I think we can stop the earth from rotating
 
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