ammonia converting bacteria

[WeeNe858]

If the rock is cured, then there would be no die off, and no need to wait to begin stocking. Even with a bacterial additive, it's best to take it slow IMO.

I haven't accused you of anything, just pointing out that I am a skeptic when it comes to bacterial additives- I wouldn't have recommended the Bio Spira either. From what I've heard from a lot of folks, even Bio Spira can be pretty much hit or miss, whether that's due to general ineffectiveness, poor shipping practices, etc. If you follow the instructions and add a full bioload along with the product only to later discover it didn't work for you, then you have a real mess on your hands until the cycle finishes.

There's no question that the easiest thing for the OP to do is just to overdose the ammonia while he is out of town. The worst case scenario then is that he doses too much ammonia and stalls the cycle a bit.

technically cured live rock from a store is only partially cures.. you still have to let it set up and have the bacteria regrow to support your biolaod in the tank... now if yout getting it fron someones tank.. then thats fully cures and ready to rock if you setting up a tank thats identical to the originals rocks tank... otherwise you would have to let the bacteria come up to speed with the new bioload you putting on it

 

[severum mama]

technically cured live rock from a store is only partially cures

Not at the store I work for. Ours is fully cured in a large holding tub, and sustains a bioload of some large messy fish. I wouldn't hesitate to put it straight into a tank with fish, but I guess not everyone has the opportunity to buy LR fully cured.

otherwise you would have to let the bacteria come up to speed with the new bioload you putting on it

Again, I'm a big proponent of stocking slowly.

 

[WeeNe858]

Not at the store I work for. Ours is fully cured in a large holding tub, and sustains a bioload of some large messy fish. I wouldn't hesitate to put it straight into a tank with fish, but I guess not everyone has the opportunity to buy LR fully cured.


Again, I'm a big proponent of stocking slowly.

we keep damsles in our tanks but its only cure to a certain extent.. and stocking slowly is how you would let the bacteria catch up to the bioload.. :]


(this is a really good post)

 

[severum mama]

and stocking slowly is how you would let the bacteria catch up to the bioload.. :]

Yes, that was my point, that you stock slowly to be sure your biofilter can catch up. But the LR I can get could probably sustain a much higher bioload initially than I would be willing to try.

Our rock is cured in a big tub with a huge skimmer and a foot-long gold puffer, a Picasso trigger, red belted anthias, powder blue tang, and various angels (the list changes as they sell).

 

[WeeNe858]

Yes, that was my point, that you stock slowly to be sure your biofilter can catch up. But the LR I can get could probably sustain a much higher bioload initially than I would be willing to try.

Our rock is cured in a big tub with a huge skimmer and a foot-long gold puffer, a Picasso trigger, red belted anthias, powder blue tang, and various angels (the list changes as they sell).

lol.. a foot long puffer ;p.. we have (4) 80 gallon tubs that are connected and 2 big G skimmers on each end.. we dont keep expensive live rock because we add neww live rock by the pound so it causes a slight crash..

and we're thinking about upgrading the skimmer to a 8 foot tall wholesalers skimmer

 

[H3D]

Why would someone take the time to recommend anything based on something they had only read about in research papers or company claims? If that's what I had done here then I might understand the defensive rudeness I was met with. I happened to have had practical experience with a product someone mentioned (SuperBac), as you guys obviously haven't, so I shared my experience. Then I was accused of "selling" because I linked you to a pdf I was good enough to fetch for your benefit, not mine. Good lord.

It doesn't take a bioengineer to test a product, just the need to cycle a tank.

I have used Bio-Spira multiple times with great success as have many other people that I know. I was showing you the link as evidence that it has been scientifically proven that nitrobacter does not effectively establish in an aquarium. If you do not want to accept what multiple scientists have shown the by all means do not.

 

[BucJason]

this is kinda of the point i was making. the only thing i see on this is a ad from you. one thing i learned early on is not to believe everything you read. more so in ads. there are so many products that claim this or that but are snake oil. until i see some respectable site backing it up or some respectable people backing it up i will not believe it.

i am not saying your lying about it. coming from someone new that i dont know i just dont believe it as much as someone who has been here and is proven to be a reliable source.

Yes, kinda reminds of the way a Marineland sales rep. claims thier bacteria will stay alive 6 months at room temp.... hahahaha. yeah right...

 

[WeeNe858]

well that site did finally prove my product :].. and it does work

 

[H3D]

well that site did finally prove my product :].. and it does work

What site...you have shown no proof that your product works other than hearsay. If you can prove that it works then you could be published in a scientific journal because there is no scientific evidence that proves nitrobacter is an effective nitrifier in a freshwater aquarium.

 

[don_juan]

Yes, that was my point, that you stock slowly to be sure your biofilter can catch up. But the LR I can get could probably sustain a much higher bioload initially than I would be willing to try.

Our rock is cured in a big tub with a huge skimmer and a foot-long gold puffer, a Picasso trigger, red belted anthias, powder blue tang, and various angels (the list changes as they sell).

Wow, good discussion going on. I just learned a thing or two about live rock. Thanks all.