I raised these from eggs, I got the eggs at a meeting of a local aquarium club in PA that I visited from NY when they had Jeff Senske presenting- a very famous aquscaper. At the end of the meeting there was an auction of donated items. I wanted to support the club who spent the money to host Jeff's seminar (not cheap), and the jerk (Glenn, are you out there?) from my local club who was sitting next to me when they announced Axolotl eggs- I said to him, what's an axolotl? He says its a killie fish. Okay, I like a surprise and I always want to grow out fry, so I bid them up.