Brown Algae New Tank Cycling (no fish)

fantail said:
Yes it all sounds like you are on the right track. Do you have ammonia and nitrite test kits? If so what do they read?
Its also a good idea to test from a clean glass your ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and ph your tap water to see what your tank should be.

Could you google the filter you have so we can see if its good enough

The filter is this type...I bought in Japan so the model number is different but this one looks to be the right size. http://www.tetra-fish.com/catalog/product.aspx?id=576

OH! You asked about the size of the fish. It's about 5cm to 6.35 cm. He moves around too much to get the accurate size but maybe closer to 5cm...

So you think the other two fish have pox? I guess it's contagious and I shouldn't put them in with any other fish?
 
Again im not up with that type of filter It says it does 20 to 40 gallons but if you can take out the carbon part and add extra media such as the ceramic rings then it will make it much better.

As the fish is only a couple of inches it will look small in the tank but it wont take long for it to get bigger.

So how many fish do you have? and are they all in the same tank? pox is contagious as its viral so limiting contact is a good idea and try to not use the same fish eqipment for all the tanks, get each tank a seperate set.
 
fantail said:
Again im not up with that type of filter It says it does 20 to 40 gallons but if you can take out the carbon part and add extra media such as the ceramic rings then it will make it much better.

As the fish is only a couple of inches it will look small in the tank but it wont take long for it to get bigger.

So how many fish do you have? and are they all in the same tank? pox is contagious as its viral so limiting contact is a good idea and try to not use the same fish eqipment for all the tanks, get each tank a seperate set.

I have an Azuma nishiki (calico oranda) and a Tancho (red cap) in a 13 liter tank - they both have the pox. Did you say it was incurable?

I have one 5 liter tank with one seibun and no filter...just an air stone. I have the same set up with one other oranda who had ich and now seems to have the pox as well.

Then I have a an 18 liter tank that had a bunch of fish that all had ich and now it's down to just one seibun who looks like he's got a few days left before he dies...that tank only has an air stone because I was salting and using that blue medicine for ich.

I was hoping to evetually put all big oranda, the calico oranda, the red cap and one seibun in the 57 liter tank.

You know, about the filter...I think I should get the type that uses the ceramic rings...I'm not sure of the name of that type of filter but from the top it looks similar to the lamp that goes on top of the tank. Do you know what I mean? I tried googling it but couldn't find one to show you but no luck.
I did find this but it's Japanese. Maybe called a bio filter??

At the moment I use all the same equipment but wash everything in hot water immediately after using it...it would get to be expensive to have to buy seperate stuff for each tank.

By the way here's the square filter I use. http://www.gex-fp.co.jp/fish/catalog/filter/boy.html
 
Could you tell me what a seibun is?
Fish pox is as far as im aware incurable, but maybe someone else can help there. The filter that you showed me is what I would call a box filter and not capable of filtering water for a goldfish adequately enough.
Im afraid i dont know about the filter you are talking about but maybe someone else might.
If it can do 570 litres an hour then it will be fine along with more bacteria holding area.

Your largest tank can just about manage one of your fancies, could you get a bigger tank maybe a 30 gallon to house them more comfortably?
 
Ill put some thought into this.

Where is the fish tank located? Is it in any direct source of sunlight?

Sunlight is the number one cause for algae.

Also, Do you leave your lights on all the time? Make sure it is turned off at nights.

This is also a big problem that people tend to do, and dont know that it causes algae growth.

Those two question should be the first question you ask yourself when you have excessive amounts of algae growth.


Having plants in the fish tank will actually help with the algae growth, as the plant will abosrb the light emitted from the sun or other light source that causes algae. Also be aware that having plants in when your tank isnt cycled yet isnt such a smart idea. It will disrupt the cycle. Plants will take what good bacteria that is needed in the tank to cycle, thus messing up a few things.

ammonia > nitrite > nitrate

If any of those are missing it will disrupt the cycle.


As far as the white parts that are growing on your fish, it could be nothing more than just an excessive amount of slime. Sometimes when the water quality is bad, fish will tend to develope excessive slime, to protect themselves. Sometimes when brown algae appears it'll be because of bad water. Now just because you test the water with a test kit and it reads good, doesnt exactly mean that you are fine. Other factors are involved too.

How often do you do water changes? How do you do the water changes and how much do you take out?

Also from my experience the type of filter you have shouldnt have any affect on algae growth. So I wouldt worry about the type of filter you have.
A general rule for getting the right filtration is usally that it needs the filter the tank 4 times in one hour. The more the merrier.

On cycling your fish tank, you dont really need a source of ammonia. It will do it naturally. Dont add any food, ammonia, or feeder fish to try to speed up the process. Let it do it by itself. A 20 gallon standing by itself should only take 2-3 weeks to cycle.

Also, The one inch rule is crap. Don't listen to that. If you had a 20 inch goldfish you wouldnt want to put the goldfish in a 20 gallon would you?

If you cant keep the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels at 0 without doing any waters changes for a while then that means your fish are way too big for the size tank you have. You're fish is producing too much waste and there isnt enough volume of water to hold enough beneficial bacteria to destroy the bad bacteria. Get a big tank if you are having problems with the levels going up.

Both the size of the tank, and the volume of the water affects the quality of the water and the fish.



There is still a lot more I can say. But lets start from here first.
 
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Brown algae always appears first when a tank or any body of water is left to sit long enough.

Plants use nitrates to feed on and like terrestrial ones use carbon dioxide and oxygen at night. It makes no difference to a cycle whether they are there or not.

You cant have a tank at 0 nitrates, unless it is heavily planted. Nitrate is the end product of the cycle and is removed by water changes. Tap water usually has nitrates in it at some level so keep it at what the tap measures.

g-fish, can you get a pic of your fish please.

Im not saying any more or i might explode.
 
Brown algae doesnt always appear first.

I've had aquariums for over 10 years and not once did brown algae appear when everything was set up correctly.
 
I've always had brown show up first, sometimes just a little sometimes more. It is a diatom that feeds on silicates/phosphate and I have a lot of both in my water. So until something else is taking care of it in the water column brown will show up first for me.
It is also my understanding that it (silicates) comes/leeches sometimes from the brand new tank silicone and brand new gravel if it has a silicone coating for a while and then passes with water changes etc removing it.

Kath
 
Plants and water changes isnt the only way to remove nitrate.

There is a process called denitrification which naturally occurs. If it cant keep up from excess amount of nitrate, you will see a high amount of nitrate.
 
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