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I personally don't think a tank should have to be asthetically pleasing. I think it should look as much like a natural habitat as possible. Not every fish is happy in a pretty tank. Some fish like overgrown tanks. Some fish like tall tanks. Some fish like algae to cover every surface possible. I like to observe fish they way they would act if they were at home. That is art to me.

And that is art to me, too. Aesthetics does not mean pretty. It has to do with the perception of beauty and it sounds like you have a clear aesthetic in the appreciation of natural habitats.

I have been keeping fish for more than half my life. I started like everyone does, making mistakes and shoving plastic plants into epoxy gravel. The more I got into it the more I wanted to see how fish behave in nature. That's why I switched over to biotope tanks. I research a habitat as thoroughly as possible and make the tank look and act as much like that habitat as I can. But that's just me.

Ah, but it isn't! There is a whole community of biotope devotees! And you have just conveyed an aesthetic perspective for the consideration of everyone who reads your post.

Some people prefer abnormally manicured planted tanks, like the Dutch and Amano style aquariums that look so nice and perfect. However, I've never seen a fish in nature swimming around such a pretty landscape. I have seen quite a few fish gasping at the surface of one of those tanks to escape the wash of CO2 or cowering in the corner because there is way too much open water for them to feel safe.

While I enjoy Dutch and Amano style aquaria, my personal aesthetic includes humane treatment of fish and I am suspicious of CO2 myself.

My main point is that you can never have the definitive answer on anything in this hobby. Everyone has a different opinion on everything. Even well respected researchers like Walstad who write nothing but scientific facts have their critics. You can never tell anyone they're doing it "wrong." Even if they see and understand your point they won't change because they're doing it "wrong" for a reason. Criticizing a person for the way they keep their aquariums is about the same as telling them their religion is stupid. No matter your intentions, they will be offended.

I personally would criticize keeping fish in distressing conditions even if the fishkeeper had her or his reasons for it. That's because I have a value judgement for that. Other than that, if a person is doing something a certain way because it gives her or him desirable results then what is there to criticize? Sadly, we all seem to be a bit over sensitive and tend to perceive a few things as slights against our religions or fish tanks. Sometimes one can be read as presenting a statement as a definitive answer. I know any number of aquarists who were doing something one way, were informed of a better way, and who changed how they were doing it. I'll posit myself as a prime example. If risking offending somebody were always a roadblock to expression and the exchange of ideas we'd be in permanent gridlock but it pays to be conscientious not just carelessly offend people and certainly not to purposefully tick them off.

If we hold a thing in contempt before we learn something about it and evaluate it, we miss out on a potential opportunity for enrichment and growth.
 
Dear, me and the wife love you. Hey, a bit of 'friendly adversary behavior' is all meant in fun and games. I want you to have tanks you love and enjoy, the wife wants you to have tanks you love and enjoy. My fish want you to have tanks you love and enjoy. Please, don't read more into my 'fun' comment than was meant. I do value tanks set up with a 'natural theme.' They are quite often very beautiful. I kinda like the fun tacky tanks too, so shoot me!

Well, gosh, I thought the "Remarkable, dumb, but remarkable" comment was funny! I prefer planted aquaria but I think fun tacky tanks can be fun. OH, and DON'T WORRY, I never shoot anybody!:dance2:
 
Well, gosh, I thought the "Remarkable, dumb, but remarkable" comment was funny! I prefer planted aquaria but I think fun tacky tanks can be fun. OH, and DON'T WORRY, I never shoot anybody!:dance2:

Thanks DeeDee, you are alright in our book. :dance2: The more people in the hobby, the happier we are.
 
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Ladies and gentlemen, have a winner! :clap:

If I were a fish I'd ride that ferris wheel.
 
wow, this thread still alive. Its like the Water Change thread, it just seems to have a life of its own.

Anyway, I think, having read just this page, that Aqyuaria Central should add a new forum section, called BIOTOPES. You could then have sup sections like Amazon, Great Lakes, Mangrove Forest, Swampland, Freshwater Mash, Saltwater Marsh, ext. That would be pretty cool, but you would need a general Biotope area, just for those people new to the idea and wanting to learn what a Biotope is.

I also think that the tacky tank is pretty cool, in its own way.
 
Having read through this entire thread I feel that a persons tank setup are like art. Every single person has a different view of what is asteticly pleasing to them and what is ugly. This in itself makes art/tanks very personal and tend to let people get offended when people criticize them.

As long as the fish are healthy and thriving then there has little to do with what they like. Particulary since most fish come from breeding farms and kept in lightly setup tanks at fish stores with numerous similar fish frequently being stressed by avoiding being caught in a net. However I have read that some fish become more colorful with darker substrates, more plants. Some fish only breed in certain setups which I think is the pinicale of fish happiness. So as long as your fish are alive, healthy, possibly breeding, then you should be able to have ferris wheels, pink plants and bobbing divers. RC subs only if they have cameras. But that is just my opinion.

I would also like to second FF in adding a Biotope section to AC.
 
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What a fun tank! But I do need to comment on the lack of any decor much above halfway. Get some tall stuff in there! Are there any light up toys? We need a night shot if so.

This reminds me of my tacky fish bathroom at my last house. Fish xmas lights, glow in the dark shapes. I'd add new stuff just to see how long it took for my husband to notice.
 
I want someone to apply the 'endler's livebearer stocking formula' to my old 90/65g stacked setup and tell me how overstocked I was.. in units of endler's..keep in mind the barbs in the top tank (the 90g) were 18" long..

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Wow! Hey, well I only use my Endler Equivalency Units (I made that term up with tongue in cheek) method to deal with rather active, small fish, up to the size of a kuhli loach or maybe a blue ram cichlid - which I seem to recall being up to about 10 EEU and 14 EEU respectively - in small aquaria, planted, with a DSB, and circulation carefully set up to provide maximum oxygenation with minimal CO2 blow-off.

By the by, I consider fish behavior so that the size and format of the tank will allow them to live without feeling threatened. cramped, over-exposed, crowded, etc. So, no highly active danios for the most part, fer example.

So, 18 inches long, eh? Let's call that 18 Endlers length. I am guessing the barbs are on average 5 times wider than an Endler male and on average seven times taller than an Endler male. That gives 630 Endler Equivalent Units' volume. Divide by three to get 210 gallons per barb required. So, those two big barbs in the top need 420 gallons by my measure. A result I don't agree with.:rofl:
 
I think your formula may very well compute an ideal stocking volume per fish rather than the bare minimum. 210g per big barb would not be a stretch though hardly the minimal requirement.
Most people would agree that an adult Oscar (for example) requires about 75g per fish, though 150g+ would be ideal, IMO. Personally, I wouldn't frown upon anyone keeping Oscars in a 75G, however, so as long as their needs are met and they are healthy and active. 12 Volt Man's barbs certainly fall in that category and the fact that he has such great looking fish in a relatively small aquarium is a testament to his fish-keeping skills.
 
wow you have too much time on your hands...people keep they're tanks for their own personal reasons and everybody's taste is different...just because somebody has a tank that is not pleasing to your eye does not make it an abomination. Your holy than though attitude makes fish keepers look snooty and opinionated. Sure clown gravel and cords hanging everywhere looks crappy to me, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Live and let live lady..im sure theres plenty of people that would think your tanks are ugly. Its just a hobby dont take it so seriously wow
 
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