Chemi-pure ? Nitra-Zorb ?

The way you regenerate it is pretty easy - and their instructions are clear cut. The biggest concern would be if you used some type of water conditioner that contains Amine Salts - (ie an Ammolock or products like that). Then its possible when regenerating the Purigen, you would chemically create (I am doing this from memory, so i could be wrong but ) I believ Chloramine - which could be released in the water when put back in the tank.

The easiest thing to do is use Seachems Prime as your water conditioner. then there is no issue.

the other options are the smell test after regeneration - ie if it smalls like Chlorine do not use it.

Or, the third option is just toss the used portion after it is extinguished in 4 to 6 months. A 250ML container costs about $9 - and will treat 250 gallons of water. So if I didn't want to regenerate the used Purigen, the $9 worth would last me anywhere from 12 to 18 months in my 72 gallon tank. if you have a smaller tank, well you are likely talking several years of use.
 
I guess what makes me skeptical about these products is the expansiveness of their claims. How is one to know, for example, that it removes/absorbs all the stuff that is bad that builds up in our tanks? I'd be concerned that someone might think they can reduce frequency of known-to-be-effective maintenance procedures like water changes or filter cleaning because they have this resin in their tank. How does one know that it removes the stuff that's bad? How does one know when it's no longer working? How does one know what it actually does when it's working?

Just curious...

Jim
 
I agree totally...though, I don't think these products will harm your tank and may actually help..I just don't think they are necessary in freshwater tanks.....nothing is more beneficial than water changes...and if a person is doing water changes like they should, then these products just aren't needed, IMO. If you are a very busy person who doesn't have the time to do "regular" water changes, or just simply refuses to do them weekly, for what ever reason, then I would urge you to use these products for your fishes' sake.
 
Originally posted by JSchmidt
I guess what makes me skeptical about these products is the expansiveness of their claims. How is one to know, for example, that it removes/absorbs all the stuff that is bad that builds up in our tanks?

Jim, I don't necessarily disagree with you on the claims point As you will note above, I too said I doubted all of the claims made by the Chemi-Pure people. That said, with respect to Seachem's Purigen which is what I use, there claims are not as expansive - they are pretty straight forward. They say "Purigen removes proteins, nitrates, nitrites, ammonia and a broad spectrum of organics, yet its impact on trace elements is minimal. It significantly raises redox. It polishes water to unparalled clarity". thats it - no snake oil claims, etc. I have found that Seachem is one of the few companies in the industry that makes good products, has excellent customer service, and doesn't make a bunch of "can do anything" claims - so I tend to believe them moreso than others.

As far as knowing if it does all this, all I can go by is my experience using it. My test results, even with water changes every 2 weeks are alwasy excellent. My water has never been clearer - and my fish are very healthy and active. Is that scientific proof - no, but its good enough for me.



I'd be concerned that someone might think they can reduce frequency of known-to-be-effective maintenance procedures like water changes or filter cleaning because they have this resin in their tank.

Well, while I would not advocate forgoing water changes completely like Waldstad in her planted aquarium testise. again I can only say I have had no problems whatsoever with wtaer changes every 2 weeks instead of weekly since using this. I still do rinse/clean my prefilter to my sump weekly.



How does one know that it removes the stuff that's bad? How does one know when it's no longer working? How does one know what it actually does when it's working?

Just curious...

Jim

Well, Purigen actually changes colors when it is working. It is white out of the jar - and darkens progessively as it exhausts. Once it is dark brown, it is no longer effective and needs replaced or regenerated. So it is easy to tell if it is no longer working.

Hope this helps. As I noted, I know folks will be skeptical - shoot, I am skeptical of many things, but before using Purigen, I searched the net and found several satisfied users - and my experience to date has proven positive. Really though the only way you will probably ever be sure is to try it and test it yourself.
 
Originally posted by Slappy*McFish
..nothing is more beneficial than water changes...and if a person is doing water changes like they should, then these products just aren't needed, IMO.

OK Slappy, I know you are a huge proponent of the water changes will fix everything camp but . . .

If you are a very busy person who doesn't have the time to do "regular" water changes, or just simply refuses to do them weekly, for what ever reason, then I would urge you to use these products for your fishes' sake.

I am not sure what your comments are intended to imply - however, you seem to be saying that anyone who doesn't follow "your regimen" of weekly water changes is a bad fishkeeper / hobbyist. If taht is the case, the I think that is so far from the truth that it isn't even funny. Since when did doing weekly water changes become the standard? Many reference books do not even advocate that. And how can you ignore/dismiss the technical advances in the hobby? That is what you are doing. Its a shame too because by dismissing these advances over the past 10 years, you would have missed the developments in improved filtration, fishless cycling, new filtration media like Purigen and others , and possibly even the biggest technological advance to hit the hobby yet - the development of a way to get a tank up and running right away via Bio-Spira.

You can stick with your methods, rely solely on water changes or be old-school if you desire, that is your choice and right - but please do not criticize those who do it a different way and choose to take advantage of technological advances they believe are for the betterment of the hobby.
 
Please show me where I criticized anyone. All I said was that these products just aren't necessary in freshwater tanks that receive a normal maintenance routine of 20-50% water change weekly. Or every two weeks for that matter..whichever you prefer. Whatever is required of your tank to acheive "good" levels.(nitrates, proteins, DOC, etc)..some tanks more so than others..the fact that I said "weekly" water changes is irrelevant.
My comments didn't "imply" anything....I said exactly what I meant...and none of my comments were false or incorrect, or an attempt at humor..just the plain and simple truth. Point is, why spend the money on something that just isn't necessary unless you are unable to remove all the "nasties" from your water during any relative amount of time from regular water changes. Keep in mind nature has a very high water volume, turn over rate..in some places the water is replaced hundreds of times per hour. There are many people out there that have water that is high in DOC and nitrates, and proteins, etc...who may just have a busy lifestyle or are just plain lazy(tell me those people don't exist)..those are the folks that would benefit the most from these products.
 
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Originally posted by superstein61


They say "Purigen removes proteins, nitrates, nitrites, ammonia and a broad spectrum of organics, yet its impact on trace elements is minimal. It significantly raises redox. It polishes water to unparalled clarity". thats it - no snake oil claims, etc. I have found that Seachem is one of the few companies in the industry that makes good products, has excellent customer service, and doesn't make a bunch of "can do anything" claims - so I tend to believe them moreso than others.


While I tend to think those claims are pretty grand, I agree that Seachem is a reputable company that generally doesn't go overboard in its claims.



As far as knowing if it does all this, all I can go by is my experience using it. My test results, even with water changes every 2 weeks are alwasy excellent. My water has never been clearer - and my fish are very healthy and active. Is that scientific proof - no, but its good enough for me.



I'm concerned about the things we can't easily measure, but that may have an affect on our fish over the long haul. Where do pheromones fit into this, I wonder...




Well, Purigen actually changes colors when it is working. It is white out of the jar - and darkens progessively as it exhausts. Once it is dark brown, it is no longer effective and needs replaced or regenerated. So it is easy to tell if it is no longer working.

Hope this helps. As I noted, I know folks will be skeptical - shoot, I am skeptical of many things, but before using Purigen, I searched the net and found several satisfied users - and my experience to date has proven positive. Really though the only way you will probably ever be sure is to try it and test it yourself.

Interesting. It sounds like it might not hurt anything, so long as other maintenance is carried out. I'm still not sure it's really necessary, though...

I hope you'll keep us posted on your experiences with it over the long haul.

Jim
 
Hello again:


My interest in these products is too minimize stressful weekly
25 percent water changes and gravel vacuuming. The fish do
not enjoy the python poking around inside the tank.

I would like to extend it to @2 weeks....but nitrate tests say
no to me.
 
Originally posted by Slappy*McFish
Please show me where I criticized anyone.

Well Slappy, as I said, I was not sure what your comments were intended to imply - but to me saying

If you are a very busy person who doesn't have the time to do "regular" water changes, or just simply refuses to do them weekly, for what ever reason, then I would urge you to use these products for your fishes' sake.

seemed to me to be criticism of those who don't follow the weekly water change schedule you perscribe. If it wasn't, then sorry, I am wrong - but saying "refuses to do water changes weekly and urging people to then use these products for their fishes sakes" seems to imply that someone who doesn't follow your weekly water change schedule is a bad hobbyist - and that they better do something to help their fish. Maybe that is not want you really meant or intended, but thats the way it reads to me at least.
 
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