Complete die off w / bio-spira

I'm a big fan of anything from marineland that doesn't come in a bottle or can. I wish they'd stick to filters and powerheads most days though. Considering the abundance of myths and confusion in this hobby it is a wonder anyone knows what they are talking about. I imagine the person answering your e-mails said what they thought was correct.
Dave
 
I would suspect that the form of NH3/NH4+ actually used by the bacteria would likely be the ionic form. The NH3 + H+<->NH4+ equilibrium will compensate all but instantly for relative concenrations, that is no issue. Generally ions are easier to transport and metabolize. Any bacteriologists in the crowd?
 
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

That was EXACTLY what I had expected the responses to be from both companys.

You realize that we've just created a scandal... :D
 
Yikes, ok, now I'm confused. Shouldn't I use a product to take the chlorine and related substances out of the water (such as marineland's bio-safe or prime), then add biospira, then the fish? This is what I did originally, I wonder if this could have caused the problem??

Regardless, I am going to try the salt/heat treatment now, as I have lost the remainder of the fish. I think I may, after a week of this, do several large water changes and then try the bio-spira route again. Or, would trying to "feed" the current bacteria I have with ammonia while in this process be a better choice?

Sarah
 
Or, would trying to "feed" the current bacteria I have with ammonia while in this process be a better choice?
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Definately better to feed the existing bacteria and maintain them. Once estabilished it is far easier to grow them than to take your chances with re-introducing them later.

As far as Prime or Bio-safe, I'm really pretty certain neither one will hurt your efforts. Too many people use these products for me to think otherwise. If they killed bacteria we would see constant posts on the boards. Chlorine absolutely will kill bacteria so dechlorinator is a must.

If you still have a live fish then treat with salt and heat, and once you are sure ich is dead then begin re-stociking slowly. if you do not have any fish left then neither salt or heat is needed. Just maintain the tank for a week empty and ich will die off on it's own. Elevated heat would speed this up, but I never suggest jumping the gun even with temps elevated.

If you don't have fish, buy some clear ammonia, and dose to 3 ppm follow fishless cycling instructions from there while you wait out the ich. since you already have a good colony going, it should take little time to prepare a huge colony and allow you to fully stock the tank once all other vairiables are put to rest.

Dave
 
When I stocked my 75 with bio-spira i had a nitrite spike as well (never saw any ammonia)... I added the extra packet of biospira that I had bought and it cleared up overnight.
 
Well, here's the response we've been waiting for and straight from the horse's mouth . . . Marineland:

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Subject: RE: Tech help, Bio Spira
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:33:08 -0800
From: "Marineland Aquarium Products"
To: "Eileen Kortright"

Hello,
As long as it is not overdosed, Prime is safe to use with Bio-Spira. Sorry for the mix up.

Thank you
Marineland
Commercial Systems & Service
(800) 322-1266
(805) 529-3030 Fax
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I'm going to ask them specifically about Amquel and Amquel Plus, just so we know.

AND I'm going to ask them to update their FAQ :) I love causing trouble :Angel:

Roan
 
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Now THIS is Interesting . . .

Here's a VERY interesting reply from Marineland Tech support in regards to using Amquel with Bio Spira:

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Subject: RE: Tech help, Bio Spira
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:29:23 -0800
From: "Marineland Aquarium Products"
To: "Eileen Kortright"

Sorry about that! Amquel is not recommended to use with the Bio Spira


Thank you :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Eileen Kortright
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:41 AM
To: Marineland Aquarium Products
Subject: RE: Tech help, Bio Spira

At 12:33 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote:


Hello,
As long as it is not overdosed, Prime is safe to use with Bio-Spira. Sorry for the mix up.


That's great! Thank you very much, but what about Amquel and Amquel+?

Eileen Kortright
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Hrm!
Roan
 
Okay, sent another email to Marineland Tech asking for an explanation on Amquel and to update their Bio Spira FAQ.

I also invited them to post the answers here. Doubt that they will, but it would be awesome if they did.

Roan
 
This is very interesting, and I hope they do respond.

...I also stand corrected. :)
 
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