death penalty

[ryan]

As strange as it may sound i am actually more for capital punishment in cases of severe child-abuse and molestation than i am for capital punishment in murder cases. Once murdered a person's suffering is over, but abuse and molestation victims often suffer lifelong effects which severely limit their ability to lead a happy healthy life. Not only that, but molesters/rapists have one of the highest rates of recidivism (repeating the offence) among criminals.

I have met far too many girls in my life who suffer because of what some *** hole uncle or creepy neighbor did to them.

ryan

:edit: also, many murderers are victims of child abuse or the like at a young age, resulting in stunted development (the average IQ in prison and death row is significantly below average). instead of pruneing leaves go to the root of the problem.

 

[aquariumfishguy]

And age has little if anything to do with their ability to be rehabilitated.

Many psychiatrists would beg to differ with you on that point. There are some people who believe that even psychopaths started out innocent. An 18 year old can much more easily overcome any “life obstacles” experienced in ones life, versus a 50 or 60 year old who **** well knows what their intent is, and why they are doing what they are doing. Is it really much different than a 2-year smoker vs. a 50-year smoker who tries to quit?

And that would be no different than if one of my loved ones was sent to prison for life. In either case they are essentially gone.

I think if one of your parents were fried, you'd be a little more than angry that they're "essentially gone". They are gone period, and nothing you could think up would bring them back (as someone else mentioned).

Having a parent in prison for life isn't the best either, but certainly you still have them in your life, however brief that may be. Unless you are extremely pessimistic, I would like to think that you'd always have hope that your parent would be found innocent of all charges, hence being released.

Do you think there is light at the end of the tunnel when the same parent is injected with a drug and sent to 'sleep' for all eternity? No way, especially when the system still exists and that person knows other innocents will be executed in the same year (most probably).

Indeed, revisions to this form of “punishment” should be made.

 

[slipknottin]

Many psychiatrists would beg to differ with you on that point. There are some people who believe that even psychopaths started out innocent. An 18 year old can much more easily overcome any “life obstacles” experienced in ones life, versus a 50 or 60 year old who **** well knows what their intent is, and why they are doing what they are doing. Is it really much different than a 2-year smoker vs. a 50-year smoker who tries to quit?

And there are plenty that would beg to differ with you. Appeal to authority. Not all the experts agree.

I think if one of your parents were fried, you'd be a little more than angry that they're "essentially gone". They are gone period, and nothing you could think up would bring them back (as someone else mentioned).

Very rarely if ever would something you think of get them out of prison. And as I said, people on death row often get more appeals than those who arent.

Having a parent in prison for life isn't the best either, but certainly you still have them in your life, however brief that may be. Unless you are extremely pessimistic, I would like to think that you'd always have hope that your parent would be found innocent of all charges, hence being released.

Extremely pessimistic? The chance of someone getting released from life is rarer than someone getting freed from death row.

Do you think there is light at the end of the tunnel when the same parent is injected with a drug and sent to 'sleep' for all eternity? No way, especially when the system still exists and that person knows other innocents will be executed in the same year (most probably).

I have no idea what your asking.

 

[aquariumfishguy]

And there are plenty that would beg to differ with you. Appeal to authority. Not all the experts agree.

Well are we talking about sociopaths or someone who is just very troubled? There is a big difference, and I will totally agree with you that someone who is to the point where they truly have no remorse for anything they do (in other words, they just "felt like" killing someone) probably could never be rehabilitated to go back into our society. However, a troubled kid should not be dealt with the same as an adult. If so, we'd have all the same laws for minors as we do for consenting adults.

Very rarely if ever would something you think of get them out of prison.

That is probably very true. But again, there is still a tunnel with dim lights for those who are in jail and are innocent. I suppose that tells the difference from the innocent and guilty? Who knows.

I have no idea what your asking.

Rhetorical question!

 

[slipknottin]

Well are we talking about sociopaths or someone who is just very troubled?

Doesnt really matter. Not all the 'experts' believe that anyone can be rehabilitated.

That is probably very true. But again, there is still a tunnel with dim lights for those who are in jail and are innocent. I suppose that tells the difference from the innocent and guilty? Who knows.

As I said, I would personally rather be executed than live my life in prison. Hell if I lived in prison for the majority of my life then was released, I probably wouldnt be able to deal with that either. And as I said, attempted and successful suicides in prison are not rare events... There are alot of people who cant live in prison for a great deal of time.

 

[gonefishin]

I guess I'm in the belief of "an eye for an eye."

if we look at the bible, an eye for an eye is the old testament, which is actually the history of judaism.(remember, christ was a jew) In the new testament we are told that we should "turn the other cheek". Now I understand the separation of church and state, but our laws have a large connection to our faith. In god's eyes, sin is sin, murder is equal to adultry is equal to dishonesty, etc. Why couldn't we love these people, and teach them by example. I don't feel what they did is right, but I can almost guarentee they have some deep down emotions that caused this. IMO, the guy who injects the drugs, turns the switch, or pulls the trigger is guilty of murder as much as the person being exicuted.

 

[chunksofpoooo]

if we look at the bible, an eye for an eye is the old testament, which is actually the history of judaism.(remember, christ was a jew) In the new testament we are told that we should "turn the other cheek". Now I understand the separation of church and state, but our laws have a large connection to our faith. In god's eyes, sin is sin, murder is equal to adultry is equal to dishonesty, etc. Why couldn't we love these people, and teach them by example. I don't feel what they did is right, but I can almost guarentee they have some deep down emotions that caused this. IMO, the guy who injects the drugs, turns the switch, or pulls the trigger is guilty of murder as much as the person being exicuted.

thank you, gonefishin, for putting this out there. I was hesitant to do it myself.

 

[125gJoe]

There is a need for the death penalty.
Have you had Dahmer as your neighbor?


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On another relevant subject....

We are now forced to deal with 'terrorists'.

I should not have to remind us of the Twin Towers.

There are barbarians out there that have no problem at all with 'taking your head off'...

Get the big picture..

 

[aquariumfishguy]

I also agree that murder is murder. You go on ahead, pull the switch, inject em... but I couldn't live with myself if I killed someone. The only way I would ever do that is if I had a life or death situation at my home or something. But to kill someone as a job, well that takes someone special (is that even the right word?).

Whatever. You can kill someone by death row but yet it is looked down upon to kill someone, even in self-defense in today's society. No, I don’t get how some people work, not at all. They hide behind the bible and use the bible when it is convenient for them (the government), but any other time it is just for “those that believe”. OK…..

 

[Tyler718]

if we look at the bible, an eye for an eye is the old testament, which is actually the history of judaism.(remember, christ was a jew) In the new testament we are told that we should "turn the other cheek". Now I understand the separation of church and state, but our laws have a large connection to our faith. In god's eyes, sin is sin, murder is equal to adultry is equal to dishonesty, etc.

This is a different point of view to look at. It is something to think about. Especially when he said, "He that is without sin cast the first stone" when the prositute was to be stoned. But if you follow this then there should be no court system or laws at all. Then where would we be?

Why couldn't we love these people, and teach them by example. I don't feel what they did is right, but I can almost guarentee they have some deep down emotions that caused this. IMO, the guy who injects the drugs, turns the switch, or pulls the trigger is guilty of murder as much as the person being exicuted.

So do you think that by showing them a good example for 4-5 years going to fix a 43 and 51 year old? I don't think so.