slipknottin said:dangerous argument to get into when half the board wears signatures that are quotes from the bible.I learned long ago not to bring it up.
I know that for sure. That is why I bowed out on that aspect of the debate.
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I know that for sure. That is why I bowed out on that aspect of the debate.
Tyler718 said:
You don't draw a line... I would kill for my family, and yes I would think that it is morally wrong. But I would kill someone before someone would kill any one of my family members, or friends for that matter. It is something I would have to live with. I just couldn't kill somebody who did nothing to me, that’s all.
And yes, it is nice to have a clean debate for a change.
There really isn’t supposed to be a line; theoretically we all get our just punishment, or reward, at the end of our earthly life. Like I said before, I don’t believe we were put on this earth to judge whether another human gets to live or not. Hopefully, our purpose on this earth is to do good, help others, follow in God’s footsteps, and ultimately to be judged on those actions. So if we take the life of another human we destroy, or greatly shorten at any rate, any chance they have of redeeming themselves in God’s eyes. Theoretically its really very easy to redeem yourself, we see it all the time with people on death row. But if they are really sorry for what they did, then they pose no threat to society anymore and killing them would destroy any chance they have to do good for others. If they aren’t really sorry then they get their punishment at the end anyways (which, in my opinion, is far worse than death). I realize how incredibly stupid this must sound for those of you who don’t believe in God, and even for some of you who do. I hope I haven’t come across as preachy, I hate that stuff, I’m just posting my opinion. I also realize how hard it is to follow that belief in today’s world. It’s hard to have faith in humanity with all the screwed up things going on. It would be, obviously, very hard to sit back and watch your family get attacked; I don’t expect anyone to be able to do that, I know I wouldn’t be able to. But killing someone isn’t always the only option, if someone breaks into your house you don’t have to fill his head full of pellets from your 12gauge, a call to the police and a simple “ca-choock” is generally enough to stop someone.
You make much more sense than you think...
... Even though I believe in God, I also believe in a sense of "karma" too. Have you ever noticed when you are a real jerk to others, it usually comes back to bite you in the rear @ ten fold? A simple comment that might hurt someone’s feelings could come back to make your whole week a wreck. At least that is how it works out for me, so I try and be nice to every person who treats me nice. The old 'golden rule', huh?
Anyway, that’s wandering slightly off topic, but in a sense, maybe not. Could that 'rule' apply to killing others? Hmmm… who knows?
... Even though I believe in God, I also believe in a sense of "karma" too. Have you ever noticed when you are a real jerk to others, it usually comes back to bite you in the rear @ ten fold? A simple comment that might hurt someone’s feelings could come back to make your whole week a wreck. At least that is how it works out for me, so I try and be nice to every person who treats me nice. The old 'golden rule', huh?
Anyway, that’s wandering slightly off topic, but in a sense, maybe not. Could that 'rule' apply to killing others? Hmmm… who knows?
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aquariumfishguy said:You make much more sense than you think...
I agree. To think people were stressing out with your screen name when you first came.
aquariumfishguy said:
Kind of like " what comes around goes around." I try to follow the same thing. It is more rewarding by treating people how you want to be treated.
aquariumfishguy said:Oh hush - you're too busy with your laughing gas to notice when others get riled up!
The bad part is that he isn't sharing with all of us.
If a man kills his wife and they kill him for that crime, then would we condem a man convicted of rape to......?? :laugh:
I think we must hold ourselves to a higher standard than the person committing the criminal act.
Legitimized murder, whether it's War, state sponsered capital punishment or self defense is the last thing people should do to another. CP is murder by the state. The leaders are allowed to make rules that decide if another person lives or dies.
Unlike self defense, we have a choice with the other two.
They are not personal, it removes any real reason for conflict.
I can chose not to be a soldier and kill other people.
I can chose not to support CP.
I wouldn't argue SD was a choice personally.
But the other two are and many innocent people are killed in this manner that we do have a choice over.
The Iraqi shop keeper who had his home and business destroyed, blown to bit by the US soldier, wife dead, are they chosing this? I do not think so. If I do not want to join the miltary, do I have a choice? Yep. At least for right now.
I doubt we have to kill also for self defense. Police apprehend suspects daily without killing them. I can defend myself without killing someone but even with a weapon, you don't have to shoot them in the head/heart.
But these are often very rare cases. War? CP?
Quite a few of those going on.
We held ourselves to a higher standard than the bad sports and we should, when punishing others as well. We don't do the same things the bad sports do. But some folks think that's okay I suppose.
An intersting situation is assisted suicide for terminally ill people. That's not legal, but capital punishment is? I have a difficult time understanding the pro life stance and the rational of CP.
The two are dimetrically opposed.
Both are choices, but which is the right choice for you?
Somethings have no easy answers.
Regards,
Tom Barr
I think we must hold ourselves to a higher standard than the person committing the criminal act.
Legitimized murder, whether it's War, state sponsered capital punishment or self defense is the last thing people should do to another. CP is murder by the state. The leaders are allowed to make rules that decide if another person lives or dies.
Unlike self defense, we have a choice with the other two.
They are not personal, it removes any real reason for conflict.
I can chose not to be a soldier and kill other people.
I can chose not to support CP.
I wouldn't argue SD was a choice personally.
But the other two are and many innocent people are killed in this manner that we do have a choice over.
The Iraqi shop keeper who had his home and business destroyed, blown to bit by the US soldier, wife dead, are they chosing this? I do not think so. If I do not want to join the miltary, do I have a choice? Yep. At least for right now.
I doubt we have to kill also for self defense. Police apprehend suspects daily without killing them. I can defend myself without killing someone but even with a weapon, you don't have to shoot them in the head/heart.
But these are often very rare cases. War? CP?
Quite a few of those going on.
We held ourselves to a higher standard than the bad sports and we should, when punishing others as well. We don't do the same things the bad sports do. But some folks think that's okay I suppose.
An intersting situation is assisted suicide for terminally ill people. That's not legal, but capital punishment is? I have a difficult time understanding the pro life stance and the rational of CP.
The two are dimetrically opposed.
Both are choices, but which is the right choice for you?
Somethings have no easy answers.
Regards,
Tom Barr
