disorantated

Hammerman,

I think it's empathy that causes us to be concerned about our pets suffering- which is not a bad thing by any means-but can be carried too far. See definition #2.

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{From Dictionary.com}

anthropomorphic


Main Entry: an·thro·po·mor·phic
Pronunciation: "an(t)-thr&-p&-'mor-fik
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin anthropomorphus of human form, from Greek anthrOpomorphos, from anthrOp- + -morphos -morphous
Date: 1827

1 : described or thought of as having a human form or human attributes <anthropomorphic deities>

2 : ascribing human characteristics to nonhuman things <anthropomorphic supernaturalism>

- an·thro·po·mor·phi·cal·ly /-fi-k(&-)lE/ adverb
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Tracy
 
Hey guys thanks for all your replys but i think this subject should be left well alone and this post locked if poss, we are just going round and round in circles and this isn't getting us anywhere so lets all agree to disagree and get back to some seroius fishkeeping what do all you guys say??
 
Ill agree to disagree as soon as their is evidence posted that indicates that fish feel pain. I have seen no such evidence. Only things thus far that have been supplied for that side of the argument are peoples own opinions or beliefs.
 
Geezzzz.... Unless one of you is actually a REALLY talented fish, will we ever REALLY know for sure if fish feel pain.... Therefore, how about acting like adults and putting this topic to rest...

Quite frankly, it's unfortunate that a moderator of this board is actually continuing to argue this point when it's obvious there is no way to "PROVE" or "dis-PROVE" the point....

Actually, this makes the second time I've witnessed a moderator of the board act in a way that I felt was unappropriate, considering they are moderators....But thats just my opinion....
 
I see this as an interesting discussion...this is a public forum is it not? We are here to discuss, debate, and just talk in general..and since there have not been any vulgar personal attacks, I think it would be rediculous to lock this thread.
 
We..(the human race) would test if a fish can feel pain(we have the means)but noone is in the mood to subject a 2 millon dollar machine to getting wet and shortingout.
 
Originally posted by Woozledad
Geezzzz.... Unless one of you is actually a REALLY talented fish, will we ever REALLY know for sure if fish feel pain.... Therefore, how about acting like adults and putting this topic to rest...
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The adult thing to do? Maybe you hadent noticed that some highly intelligent people are out there right now doing research on this exact topic. I dont see how we cant find out if fish feel pain or not. There has been quite a bit of reasearch done on the topic and it is very interesting.

Quite frankly, it's unfortunate that a moderator of this board is actually continuing to argue this point when it's obvious there is no way to "PROVE" or "dis-PROVE" the point....
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Continuing to argue my point? Gee, im sorry, I didnt know moderators couldnt hold opinions. There are ways to prove your point. One of them is by reading articles and documents written by people who have experience with the topic. That some of these Drs. have done tests that they believe proves fish dont feel pain means that this can be debated and proven one way or the other.

Actually, this makes the second time I've witnessed a moderator of the board act in a way that I felt was unappropriate, considering they are moderators....But thats just my opinion....
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Im sorry if you believe I am being unappropriate. I suppose as soon as anyone has a difference of opinion I should lock the post and run away.
 
Gee, im sorry, I didnt know moderators couldnt hold opinions.
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Actually, I do value your more experienced opinion. But, IN MY OPINION, some of your posts seem to be a little disrespectful to those that don't hold YOUR opinion, in this thread.

I dont see how we cant find out if fish feel pain or not.
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Actually, a human will never KNOW (know=To regard as true beyond doubt) how a fish FEELS (feel=To perceive as a physical sensation)


There are ways to prove your point. One of them is by reading articles and documents written by people who have experience with the topic. That some of these Drs. have done tests that they believe proves fish dont feel pain means that this can be debated and proven one way or the other.
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NO, this does not PROVE your point, it would simply refer others to the articles written by DRS. who believe fish don't feel pain...simply stated, articles that would support your own opinion...if I cared enough, I could waste time by finding articles written by drs. that believed fish do feel pain, and this still would not PROVE the point ...



Im sorry if you believe I am being unappropriate. I suppose as soon as anyone has a difference of opinion I should lock the post and run away.
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No, I would not have you lock this topic up and run away....I'm just saying, as a moderator, you SHOULD be a little more respectful of others opinions. It is completely fine for you to have differing opinions and debating them here is perfectly fine...But, it seems that the discussion has become a little heated and you keep fanning the flames...I don't believe THOM336 or anyone else needs to prove their opinions to you, which you keep insisting he does and I feel it is a little inappropriate. On several occassions THOM336 has tried to gracefully bow out of this debate and you won't let it die...In my opinion, that is bullying and innappropriate...

What you believe or dont believe isnt entirely relevant.
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Then I suppose your beliefs aren't relevant either???
 
Well this isnt going anywhere fast.

I have stated throughout this thread I would agree to drop this as soon as I see any proof indicating that fish feel pain. So far I have seen none.

And no, the links are not the doctors opinions on the subject. Most make it distinctly clear that fish do not have the part of the brain that is responsible for the feeling of pain. Thats not opinion.

I have not been disrespectful by asking someone to show evidence of their position on a topic. This isnt a moral debate, its a debate of factual evidence, a debate you can show evidence of.
 
im not sure if any1 else noticed this...but as soon as the attacked was aimed against slipknottin he began to want to end the
arguement. just thought i'd point that out.

anyways...i have the evidence i think proves that fish feel some sort of pain. reading articles and reports wasnt getting us anywhere....so i went and watched my fish for a while (like all good fishkeepers do).

while watching my aquarium, i remembered the great summer days when the fish swim in the sunlight coming through the window before i turn their light on....and i also remembered that summer is when my angelfish breed. i hav 2 breeding pairs in my tank...so when one is breeding, the other gets chased away, barged and pecked at. But, if these fish dont feel pain, then y do they back down and go away? if they didnt feel pain then they would have no reason to back down....

this is evidence you cannot dispute, and trust me those angelfish can give a nasty nip....i should never hav tried 2 put that guard round their eggs....

One final point i would like to make...moderators are not necessarily the more experiance or more knowledgable fishkeepers on the forum, just because some peoples things may say 'junior member', it doesnt mean they are a junior fishkeeper. please bear that in mind.
 
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