Disprove Global Warming!!!

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humans dont have much to do with global warming, and that is a fact. the amount of CO2 produced by people is totally insignificant in terms of the gas in the atmostphere as a whole. in fact, CO2 is one of the least significant gasses in our atmosphere. we're talking about 3% of the atmostphere is CO2, and .133 of that is produced by people. global warming is a natural part of the earth's history. also, people seem to talk about the ozone layer thinning, but it has also been quite some time since the last polar switch which tends to renew the layer. in a sense, the earth is going extra miles on its last oil change, and the wear is starting to show.

now the other aspects-

are our resources going to run out? probably. india and china are showing exponential growth in terms of oil and coal usage because there are now two billion more people that want the American dream. with that huge increase in consumption, they're going to end at some time.

should we look for renewable fuels? sure, i dont see why not. if i can fill up my car for nearly nothing, that makes much more fiscal sense than filling up with gasoline, without even considering all of this green stuff. if i can power my car with hydrogen or ethonol, thats just cool. personally, i see the interesting side of all of these renewable fuels rather than the envoronmental propaganda.

should people conserve? yeah they should, but not to save the world necessarily. people should conserve resources to save money, especially in today's economy. but what you should not do is go out of your way to conserve a bit of water or a bit of electricity. for example, if flourescent bulbs tend to give you migraines, then you should not put them in your home to save some electricity.

should people rush to give up their SUV's and into hybrids? no, i dont think so. first off, if you like the car you ahve every right to drive it. you need to be able to maintain the vehicle and be able to afford the fuel. if you cannot afford to drive the vehivle and keep it fueled, then you shouldnt buy the car. SUV's are more expensive to maintain and buy and people are relaizing that now. that said, people should not rush into hybrids. in fact, i think that people should stop buying them all together. pruis owners often play the environmental card when talking about their auto, but in reality their car may actually be hurting the environment. the battery packs are disasterous for the environement when they need to be replaced, and they need to be replaced after 10 years or 100,000 miles. additionally, some hybrids that use huge battery packs dont even get that great of gas mileage compared to their conventional counterparts. if someone really wants to be green, they should buy a modern diesel. they emit much less than previous diesels and gasoline engines, and are often as fast, or sometimes faster, than their gasoline powered counterparts. furthermore, diesel vehicles tend to get at least 30% better mpg's than gasoline equivalent.

I wonder if anyone remembers the "Global Cooling" fiasco of the 70's.

personally, i just think that global warming is just the result of paranoid scientists that found two correlating facts. sure, CO2 may be rising, but they did not take into account that the ammount is so small in terms of the entire atmosphere that there is no way there is any real effect.
 
humans dont have much to do with global warming, and that is a fact. the amount of CO2 produced by people is totally insignificant in terms of the gas in the atmostphere as a whole. in fact, CO2 is one of the least significant gasses in our atmosphere. we're talking about 3% of the atmostphere is CO2, and .133 of that is produced by people.


But everything has a balance. By adding more CO2 to the air a percentage of something else disappears,namely oxygen. We live off 21% oxygen, what happens when CO2 levels rise to 5% and oxygen lowers to 18%. How about it doubles from 3% to 6% and our oxygen lowers to 15%.

As trees are removed and pollutants added there isn't anything to help keep the balance.

Everyone knows there are cycles. But to say what we add isn't affecting is crazy.

I try to use aquariums as an example, change less and less water each week and over time nitrates get to dangerous levels. Now some will say an aquarium is an enclosed environment. Well so is the Earth,just on a bigger scale. We don't get new water from outer space, no new oxygen enters our atmosphere from outer space. Everything we have is here and recycled.

We've only been industrialized for 200 years or so. Imagine how much worse it would be in another 200 years with more people and more countries becoming industrialized. What you see in the bigger cities will be what you see worldwide.
 
Of course global warming is real.

There are LOTS of indicators- from photos taken decades apart showing flowers flowering earlier in the year. Recorded temperatures. Ice Cap measurements. Etc.


It is not even debatable over whether global warming is real or not- you'll see some politicians try to politicise the issue and claim it isn't real for their own self interests- you'll see them hire a load of phony scientists to come up with crackpot theories that it isn't.


What is debatable is how much of an impact humans are having. Sure it goes in cycles but we're seeing quicker warming than we have in recorded history. To think human beings are having no impact is naive and denial... but how big an impact are we having?

Personally, I think we're having a very strong impact- carbon is being released into the atmosphere at a faster rate than ever before. We've removed whole forests... think of it this way- the entire east coast of the US used to be entirely forested... do you see more forest or highway/neighbourhood/farms now?

It's not just the US. Europe- most of Western Europe used to be forests. Now they're just sparesly scattered areas.

It's not just factories- we've taken out the earth's normal way of self-regulation.

Removing trees doesn't just put the entire carbon of those trees into the atmosphere (and remember this a significant percentage of the earth that has been deforested in the last 500 years)- but the earth has lost the ability to take out CO2 that is released.

If you ever go to West Virginia- entire mountains have been dug up to get at coal, primarily carbon. Entire mountains of CO2 released into the atmosphere in the last century.
 
sigh, i wish i could find the pics of the glacier that melted away in ten years....

does anyone here think the chemicals dispatched by factories in smoke belong in our atmosphere, and that the tens of millions of cows and pigs raised by people in conditions where waste wouldn't be decomposed as quickly as in nature can be considered natural? the increasing number of people and their habits cant be considered when talking about natural cycles of the earth, the time periods in these charts cant explain anything about the future since industry has never happened in the past!
 
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the earth goes through natural highs and lows. for a relativly big huge of rock flying around the sun, we have a pretty stable planet. 200 years ago this year, the world experienced the worst winter ever recorded. 1/3 of europes animals died and 1/3 of the population died of starvation and the cold. as a species, humans havnt been around the bloock too long to record tempratures on a daily basis.
 
Of course global warming is real.

There are LOTS of indicators- from photos taken decades apart showing flowers flowering earlier in the year. Recorded temperatures. Ice Cap measurements. Etc.


It is not even debatable over whether global warming is real or not- you'll see some politicians try to politicise the issue and claim it isn't real for their own self interests- you'll see them hire a load of phony scientists to come up with crackpot theories that it isn't.


What is debatable is how much of an impact humans are having. Sure it goes in cycles but we're seeing quicker warming than we have in recorded history. To think human beings are having no impact is naive and denial... but how big an impact are we having?

Personally, I think we're having a very strong impact- carbon is being released into the atmosphere at a faster rate than ever before. We've removed whole forests... think of it this way- the entire east coast of the US used to be entirely forested... do you see more forest or highway/neighbourhood/farms now?

It's not just the US. Europe- most of Western Europe used to be forests. Now they're just sparesly scattered areas.

It's not just factories- we've taken out the earth's normal way of self-regulation.

Removing trees doesn't just put the entire carbon of those trees into the atmosphere (and remember this a significant percentage of the earth that has been deforested in the last 500 years)- but the earth has lost the ability to take out CO2 that is released.

If you ever go to West Virginia- entire mountains have been dug up to get at coal, primarily carbon. Entire mountains of CO2 released into the atmosphere in the last century.

Good one Wycco! I completely agree with you.
 
the earth goes through natural highs and lows. for a relativly big huge of rock flying around the sun, we have a pretty stable planet. 200 years ago this year, the world experienced the worst winter ever recorded. 1/3 of europes animals died and 1/3 of the population died of starvation and the cold. as a species, humans havnt been around the bloock too long to record tempratures on a daily basis.

the time periods in these charts cant explain anything about the future since industry has never happened in the past!
 
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