Disprove Global Warming!!!

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This was a debate topic one year when I was in high school. The only way you could win negative against topic was to agree that science shows the earth is warming, but we can only assume it's a natural cycle because no one took any measurements before humans started pouring greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. If you have no firm scientific data with which to compare today's results, there's no way you can tell for sure whether the temperature increase is caused by man or nature.

That was the year my partner and I went to state with our kickin' WARP wind energy case. It was a good year for debate.
 
I'm going to chime in here, because this is a subject that irks me. As others stated, yes temps are going up, and i completely agree that most of it has to do with the atmospheric cycles. You see spikes in temps from year to year, and those spikes have been attributed to years with more solar flares. People love to point to glaciers as proof that man increased global warming. I'll use the glacier feeding the Ganges river in India as an example. Yes it is shrinking, and in the recorded history of the glacier, it hasn't grown. We are geologically well overdue for the next ice age.


A few more points, the gasses that create the largest greenhouse effect is WATER, and CO2. Last I checked we need the moisture............. and carbon dioxide to grow plants.... We should worry about pollution in terms of health effects of living organisms.



A sad truth about science. My college professors told me how they would apply for grants for research, and politicians provide grants for data that suggests a perceived threat to the population. When you throw in environmental lobbyists, little research is paid for that gives scientists the funding to disprove a misconception. I was told this over fifteen years ago.



http://www.aip.org/enews/physnews/2003/split/642-2.html



http://www.globalwarminglies.com/


http://www.fel.duke.edu/~scafetta/pdf/PRL48701.pdf



Ways to stop producing carbon dioxide
Stop breathing - When you exhale you release carbon dioxide
Dont drive - We all know how bad driving is
Don't live in a house/apartment/condo or any building that uses gas or electricity - Homes produce 2-3 times as much carbon as cars.
Don't wear shoes or any sort of clothing produced in a factory. Grow a cotton field and make your own clothes by hand.
Quit school - Those school buildings produce more carbon in a year then you do in 20 years.
Eat meat raw - Whether you're using gas or electric both produce carbon dioxide.
Turn off this monitor and computer - You hypocrite.
Don't use toilets, go in your back yard.- The water to your house is cleaned and sent to your house using pumps that use electricity.
Stop exercising - Increasing your heart rate increases the amount of oxygen you take in and turn into carbon dioxide.
Die - Dying younger means you will do all of the above less. Living one year less means you will save the earth 8.4 tons of carbon dioxide every year you're not here!
 
cam191919 said:
sigh, i wish i could find the pics of the glacier that melted away in ten years....

does anyone here think the chemicals dispatched by factories in smoke belong in our atmosphere, and that the tens of millions of cows and pigs raised by people in conditions where waste wouldn't be decomposed as quickly as in nature can be considered natural? the increasing number of people and their habits cant be considered when talking about natural cycles of the earth, the time periods in these charts cant explain anything about the future since industry has never happened in the past!
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I completely disagree. The charts show trends. And trends are an indicator of future events. If I were to use your logic, I would have to assume that the weatherman on TV can't predict the weather within a certain degree of certainty. However, statistically most meteorologists are fairly accurate, and from the times before the industrial revolution to today with these non natural environmental chemicals being a factor.

Before someone points to more severe storms in recent years, again a weather cycle has been charted by NOAA, and all the data is available for free on their site. It just takes sorting through the data.

Not denying temps are going up, just the reasoning behind it.
 
Following one of your links, I came across the CO2 Science page.

http://www.co2science.org/education/education.php

In their education section, is a number of articles arguing the case against man made global warming. I downloaded the first 3, haven't read them through yet, but the fact that they were all submitted for review by the same person doesn't help my suspicion. Googling solar flare intermittency brings up only that one single author, and googling solar flare with climate change immediately brings up this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6290228.stm

Obviously I need to read through all that material before being able to come to any sort of conclusion, but if my suspicion that it's just a small group of people writing, however profusely on the topic is borne out, then I'm not sure how much credibility their information holds. Granted, the correct are often outcasts in their time, but being in the minority opinion does not necessarily equate with being correct.
 
Ink look at the links in my post, two are about solar flares, ones co authored by the gov.
 
I read both Cap. On another tangent, something else that really irks me, what exactly is the relevance of these experiments that show increased CO2 to be beneficial to plants? That fact has no bearing on the plants ability to keep up with the increase in co2, nor is it enough to offset the rate of deforestation. Beyond that, whether or not plants benefit from an increased level of co2 in the atmosphere has no bearing on how it affects global temperature trends as a whole. Why continue to belabor the point when it has no relevance to the discussion, unless the intent is to confuse?
 
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"Climate models do not take into account water vapor that is 95% of the atmosphere. "
from http://www.globalwarminglies.com/

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don't think this this is a very credible source....

maybe people should spend less time citing other web sites and more time citing scientific articles.
 
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