Disprove Global Warming!!!

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Sorry, I don't read Rush Limbaugh.

2008 and early 2009 saw huge drops in solar activity. I do not know what the overall count is for this year, but it certainly would be a huge factor for this years climate if its still at the extreme low.

Interesting read: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090909_haze.html

I've never stated that human activity is above the volcanoes or the sun or the ocean because that is not the case. But using this as an excuse to say that somehow we are not part of the problem is downright selfish IMHO. Can you pump millions of tons of who-knows-what into the atmosphere and expect things to be fine and dandy?

I believe it has more to do with the public not being willing to change lifestyles than the government somehow forcing us to buy or invest in "trivial" technology. And I'll admit that I'm just as much part of this than anyone else...
 
I know Gore isn't a scientist, but I am.

Let me repeat... the GLOBAL AVERAGE TEMPERATURE is rising. Not the average temperture in Hoboken or Florida or Europe, but over the entire planet. Local conditions are highly variable. I live in Austin. Two weeks ago, we had a cold front blow in and the temp went from 95 to 55 in about 7 hours. That's perfectly normal. Climatologists take the temperature of the Earth as a whole body... averaged from thousands of weather stations and terabytes of satellite data.

There is a huge difference between local climates and the global climate.

No one, least of all the scientists, are saying that Earth doesn't go through cycles. There were no ice caps 65 million years ago and we all know about the cycles of glaciation in over the last 65,000 years.

However, the issue is the RATE of change. The AVERAGE GLOBAL temperature increasing 3 degrees in 2500 years is very, very different from a 3 degree change in 25 years. There is little doubt that humans are the direct cause of the increased RATE of change in the global temperature.

It's that RATE of change that is causing such problems. Organisms, especially large organisms with low reproduction rates, cannot adapt that quickly. Coral reefs cannot move quickly enough to avoid increased temps and change in water depths. etc, etc, etc.
 
Ok Mr. Scientist than you should already know what I'm about to tell you.

The hottest year on record was 1998 and we've have been steadily declining ever since then.

CO2 Levels have risen since 1998 without a relationship to the increased temperatures which is why CO2 doesn't affect global "warming". Thats pure and simple.

For the guy who doesn't like rush HERE is a great article by BBC which is a news organization that libs and dems love.

Read and enjoy.

About the volcano from Bali. The eath and it's natural emission of CO2 through volcanos and what not accounts for 70-80% of CO2. Another 10-15% is plants, yes they do give off CO2 as well as oxygen. Another 5-10% is animals and the remaining 4 something percent is humans and most of that is caused by breathing.


Now please tell me how we've done anything with CO2 to warm the world up.
 
jpappy789 said:
Sorry, I don't read Rush Limbaugh.

2008 and early 2009 saw huge drops in solar activity. I do not know what the overall count is for this year, but it certainly would be a huge factor for this years climate if its still at the extreme low.

Interesting read: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090909_haze.html

I've never stated that human activity is above the volcanoes or the sun or the ocean because that is not the case. But using this as an excuse to say that somehow we are not part of the problem is downright selfish IMHO. Can you pump millions of tons of who-knows-what into the atmosphere and expect things to be fine and dandy?

I believe it has more to do with the public not being willing to change lifestyles than the government somehow forcing us to buy or invest in "trivial" technology. And I'll admit that I'm just as much part of this than anyone else...
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i see what your saying. Pollution is not good for anything, but there is very little proof that it causes warming. If you have watched "The Inconvenient Truth" you will see the graphs. these are all faked. it is a fact that Co2 goes up when the temperature goes up, but the temperature precedes the Co2 rise not the otehr way around. It is also a fact that the scientists have taken into account for the last 200 years only and not the last 10 000 or even 1000 years. In order to accurately state that man contributes significantly to global warming you need to take into account as much historical information as possible.
 
hirschy75 said:
Ok Mr. Scientist than you should already know what I'm about to tell you.

The hottest year on record was 1998 and we've have been steadily declining ever since then.

CO2 Levels have risen since 1998 without a relationship to the increased temperatures which is why CO2 doesn't affect global "warming". Thats pure and simple.

For the guy who doesn't like rush HERE is a great article by BBC which is a news organization that libs and dems love.

Read and enjoy.

About the volcano from Bali. The eath and it's natural emission of CO2 through volcanos and what not accounts for 70-80% of CO2. Another 10-15% is plants, yes they do give off CO2 as well as oxygen. Another 5-10% is animals and the remaining 4 something percent is humans and most of that is caused by breathing.


Now please tell me how we've done anything with CO2 to warm the world up.
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So if it were that "pure and simple," your counterclaim to why the issue is still around is that basically its all the government's fault for pushing this down our throats so that inevitably we will end up spending unnecessarily?

I do not how that article disproves anything. Several different researchers and their theories are presented.

I want to say that humans are adding something like 5.5 Gt of carbon to the atmosphere each year. This is carbon not already in the natural cycle. Global warming/cooling/climate change aside, could someone PLEASE tell me how that is at all okay?
 
hirschy75 said:
For the guy who doesn't like rush HERE is a great article by BBC which is a news organization that libs and dems love.
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hirschy - do you have anything to quote but less than reliable news sources? news is not accurate, it is skewed, and rarely in anything that you have posted does it give credit to any academically reliable sources.
 
froglover007 said:
i see what your saying. Pollution is not good for anything, but there is very little proof that it causes warming. If you have watched "The Inconvenient Truth" you will see the graphs. these are all faked. it is a fact that Co2 goes up when the temperature goes up, but the temperature precedes the Co2 rise not the otehr way around. It is also a fact that the scientists have taken into account for the last 200 years only and not the last 10 000 or even 1000 years. In order to accurately state that man contributes significantly to global warming you need to take into account as much historical information as possible.
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I agree...I think I have stated in this thread that I personally cannot say for a fact that global warming is man made. I do believe that there is definitely a human factor, but there is definitely not a lot of solid research out there. However, to denounce it as a false, made up conspiracy of sorts is to leave no room for doubt...which is exactly what I hate about the issue.
 
coach_z said:
hirschy - do you have anything to quote but less than reliable news sources? news is not accurate, it is skewed, and rarely in anything that you have posted does it give credit to any academically reliable sources.
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I do believe the OP was initially looking for scholarly journals and articles...whether that is the purpose of the thread at this point, I don't know...it seems like its more and more opinion...
 
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