Evolution vs. Creation

[slipknottin]

I presented evidence that linked athiesm to Hitler.

And I presented evidence linking Hitler to christanity. In either case its not a logical argument, and holds no weight. Hence, Hitler was a president, does that make all presidents hitler? I think not. Hitler was a married man, does that make all married men hitler? You can see how illogical the argument is.

 

[TONO]

Hitler made it pretty clear what his view towards chritianity was "I regard Christianity as the most fatal, seductive lie that ever existed"
Slip I value the time you take to study what you believe in, but please get it from more than one source.

Also slipknot you stated you were athiets before? this just makes it easier. Well in any case Logic demands that deductive (full proof) knowlege is strictly provable. Now we cannot show that there is a known quantity greater or futher back than God from which he can be deduced, the very idea of it is a contradiction because God is the name we give to an ultimate being who is "logically required".There for he is the nessary cause and source of all things. So proving the existence of God deductivley is impossible. equally proving God does not exist is immposible. Science as we know it seeks to define our sense of reality but it is not provable. In sciennce there is no certainty only high or low probablility. Any scientific hypothesis only requires one contrary instance to pull the whole thing down. what I am trying to convey is if you disprove God you are saying you have full proof and can answer questions like what is the meaning of life so Slipknot. Please tell what is the meaning of life? That is not logical, or rational so they're must be some sort of God that exist.

 

[Watcher74]

So the belief in Christianity is the determining factor?

Thanks for the control in the experiment, TONO! :Angel:

 

[TONO]

Slipknot I appreciate your effort but the book is the only thing that has not been disproven people have tried and failed. when you have smeone that knows all sides of the argument in and out its hard to debate it away. whats next the fossil record? That sounds fun.

 

[Watcher74]

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[ash]

Yeah. The ....... about says it all. I'd defend myself as an atheist, but I'm not even sure what just happened there.

 

[TONO]

Watcher I think it boils down to this personal decision or indecision. People think that Chritianity has too many rules, that is why I think people are turned off by it. But if they really did their reasearch read the book (and totally understand it) they would find that is not as bad as they first thought. You are not expected to be perfect. If you sin you won't be condemd to hell. The thing is I would rather have faith in a creator and have a chance to go to paradise when I die, than believing my body is going to decompose in the ground. which one seems more apealing? I am not the greatest debator I am sure there are many more people that could explain this better than me just go looking for anwsers and you will find what you looking for.

The thing that really gets me is when people start to bring up the word science. Today modern science operates in two broad catagoires. Operational science and ongoing science it is really important to differnciate the two because they are both so differnt.The first concerns our present observations and technological progress.(computers, microwave popcorn, mobilephones) This is where we manipulate and further continue to understandcertain material elements. But ongoing science which hypothesizes about the past is very very different. These two functions of science should not be regarded in the same way.An example is NASA does not blast people off into space on a doubtful hypothesis that the rockets should work properly. They test the stuff over and over until it is proven to work!But how the universe began the origin of our space time continum, and how people came to this planet is not testable in the same way.Much of this popular confusion with regard to "science" lies in confusing these to areas of investigation and giving them the same weight. So when you see a show on the knowlege network about how life spontaneously evolved, we assume this works equally well scientifically, but in reality they do not! The assumptions are so frequently pounded into our brains they appear authoratative. Yet the evidence to these claims is often weak and unclear.

Every scientific theory requires a basic assumption that it cannot be proven, and all investigation proceeds from these predetermined assumptions. These are all metaphysical assumptions, and we all nuture them in one form or another. Therefor we do not need to reject science in order to have our own personal beliefs (what ever they may be).


All you Athiest can't be shying away. come on I'm just getting started:dance2:

 

[ash]

How do you draw the line between your two classifications of science? If you had a firm grasp of scientific principles I don't think you would perceive such black and white distinctions. For instance- and this analogy will not be the best- disease research studies would fall under what you term operational science, correct? So say a research team was working with DNA to find sequencing for something like Huntington's disease- where do you draw the line between the people working on that project and say the scientists working on the project that determined just how close our DNA is to chimpanzee DNA? Science is a body of knowledge- our understanding of the universe is altered as volumes are added to what we already know. I very highly doubt that any NASA scientist would tell you that there was absolutely no relation between those who research subjects pertaining to the origin of the cosmos and those who are launched into the cosmos. Oh and, evolution is not 'the atheists' Bible', there are no ' atheist leaders' and not everyone who believes in evolution is an atheist.

 

[Swimfins]

Well, I remember seeing an expositon at the Dow Planetarium here in Montreal. The 'big bang theory' Gases that combined to form air, water and that water produced life.. But I happen to believe that the big bang was not an accident. I believe in a higher power...and all that exists is nought for nought.
Life is a miracle. Just 2 cents.

 

[Watcher74]

Watcher I think it boils down to this personal decision or indecision. People think that Chritianity has too many rules, that is why I think people are turned off by it. But if they really did their reasearch read the book (and totally understand it) they would find that is not as bad as they first thought. You are not expected to be perfect. If you sin you won't be condemd to hell.

TONO, did you read one of my first posts in this thread? I was raised Southern Baptist and believed in God for the majority of my life.

I'm willing to bet I know more of the Bible than you do. So let's go there.