Fish, Pain, and Memory-The Controversy

Fish may not feel pain as we experience it but I think it's obvious that what could cause pain and suffering to us is, at the very least, causing stress to the fish. I think we all know that enough stress can diminish the quality of life for the animal and at worst end it's life.

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I think you're just missing something very important here. Unnecessary STRESS is what you should minimize in your life, or your fish's life, in order to be healthy and happy. For humans, and probably for many mammals, pain is an extremely potent stressor; in many non-mammalian animals, it is not.

Research on catch-and-release angling has shown that being pulled from the water is a much greater stressor on the fish than the hook in its mouth; humans would be far more stressed by such a wound than they would be by a brief involuntary dunking. Similarly, research on marking of amphibians and reptiles in mark/recapture studies has found that damaging but swift marking methods such as toe-clipping and shell-notching are far less stressful to animals than seemingly less hurtful marking methods that require greater handling time. In my own experience, frogs who react violently to having a leg trapped between thumb and forefinger react hardly at all to having a toe cut off. This is not shock; that is another largely mammalian phenomenon. This indifference to pain is rather counter-intuitive for us.

How fish interpret pain is far from being of metaphysical importance only; it affects how we treat them. While I'm certainly not suggesting it is OK to subject a fish to undue pain, it is far more important not to subject it to undue stress.

Just my $0.02.
 
Well, what I meant was the fact that we have no proof that humans feel emotion besides being human. So the level of speculation is also, to a point, completely metaphysical. This reflects on my point , also.

I like your point.
 
i had a feeling that the fishermen would know a lot about fish pain. and then theres always the forbidden question, how healthy for a fish can living in a glass box with life support be as compared with a river, or lake. it must cause some kind of stress, especially with wild caught fish. with questions of pain and memory there will always be contreversy
 
Well, the glass box also offers protection from disease, predators, chemicals released into the water thanks to humans, climate weirdness/disasters, and if done properly provides an interesting environment with things to observe which won't kill it. The wild is a gorgeous and interesting place, but far from idyllic.
 
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