flashing ???????

Nathane959

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I have 3 of 8 Africans that have survived a long, hard battle with what seemed to be very aggresive ich brought in by a culprit that i didnt quarantine. I know better but i let my guard down. I took all of my Africans out of the tank upon discovering the early signs of the parasite, and divided them up into 2 quarantine tanks of sufficient size. After removing the cichlids from the 250g, I turned the temp up to 90 degrees, added salt, and left it for a little over 2 weeks along with some water changes and more salt.

Yesterday i started my decline in temp, tested water perameters, all checked out ok. I had been observing my survivors in the quarantine tank and they appeared to be acting, looking healthy, and back to normal so i decided to add them back into the 250g. Almost immediatly (within 10 mins) I noticed my female Sciaenochromis flashing, something she had not done in the quarantine tank. The survivors are obviously the cichlids that really didnt get the ich infestation as bad as the others that didnt make it, and man i lost some real beauties. This was definitly some hellacious ich. Ive treated it befor with succes but honestly i never knew it could get that aggresive. I thought i caught it early, but in no time at all most of em were absolutely infested. Whats up with that? Have you ever heard of such a thing?

I kept an eye on the Sciaenochromis throughout the night, and the flashing didnt let up. Just befor going to bed i thought id observe one more time, and i noticed my ruby red flashing too. My Otopharynx lithobates seems to holding up quite well, i thought of placeing them in back in the quarantine tank, but i dont think its a parasite. Theyve been moved to much today, and, im drained. Catching them in the 250g full of lace rock is nearly impossible, yes i already put the rocks back in, and dont feel like taking em out again. At least not tonight. So, whats up guys, what do you think ? Do you think its the high salt content irritating them ? I purposly kept it high. They look very healthy but have been through alot the past couple of weeks. It cant be ich again can it ? I treated the quarantine tank properly. And as for the 250g, it should definitly be gone after a sustained period of 90 degrees plus salt treatment while uninhabited. There is absolutely no white specs on any of em.

Bacterial infection ? I think its unlikely because hours, and in one case (sciaenochromis) 10 minutes earlier in the quarantine tank thier behavior was normal. So whats up ? What do you think ?
 
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I would guess the salt....I know when I treat my fish with extra salt sometimes they act irritated and don't seem to like it.

What if you tried a water change to decrease the salt levels. You could always add more salt back in if that doesn't help the situation. I always try to go with the easier approach first if I'm not sure the cause of an issue...mostly because I don't want to unnecessarily stress my fish.
 
I treated the quarantine tank properly.

What is properly? were the fish treated for the full two weeks as well, and was the temp in your q-tank elevated? Were there any fish in your tanks that did not go through a full two weeks of teatment at elevated temps? I have never seen a fish flash due to salt, and Cichlids are usually not very sensative to salt in the water. This does not mean it can't happen, only that I haven't seen it. Aside from ICH, ammonia, or other parasites I don't know what would cause flashing.
Dave
 
The surviving fish treatment consisted of salt, and 85 degree temp for 2 weeks. Today i took the fish out of the 250, and put them in an established 58g.They are still flashing, so i dont think it was the salt. Im thinking its gotta be flukes, but doesnt salt kill flukes? Strange that all of a sudden there is Flukes in that tank. How could this be after it was uninhabited at 90 degrees for 2 weeks?
 
I would watch them closely for a few days. it could very well be that their gills are still healing if the ich was bad, or if they had any secondary issues. Gill flukes are something I know little about, but there is a common "Myth" that salt kills everything but your fish, and it simply isn't true. Salt has many uses applied in several different ways but what or how it would work on Flukes I don't know.
Here is an article on Flukes, I haven't read it yet but will be doing so probably. the source is usually pretty accurate:
http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/trematodes.shtml
Dave
 
Nathane959,
I have been reading about flukes far too much today. there may be something to your suspicions. From what I am gathering. Just like ich Flukes can go unnoticed for considerable time. also salt treatment as done for ich will not kill them. Several sources reccomend a saltwaer dip (high concentration short term dip) however several other sources site this as a treatment that isn't always effective.
Lastly I Have some suspicion of A similar problem in my guppy tank. Something I had not considered, and had not researched. Thank you for making me curious. I also have looked all over the net for Praziquantel Which as far as I can tell is unavailable in small affordable quantities. In the event that you decide to purchase some, let me know and maybe we can split the cast. The smallest quantity I've found is 25grams which is enoughfor 2500 gallons of water.
Dave
 
daveedka said:
I also have looked all over the net for Praziquantel Which as far as I can tell is unavailable in small affordable quantities. In the event that you decide to purchase some, let me know and maybe we can split the cast. The smallest quantity I've found is 25grams which is enoughfor 2500 gallons of water.
Dave
Dave, what was the price for 25 grams of Prazi?
 
$40 plus shipping, I just found it in a 10gram quantity for 32.95, which is still way more than I hope I ever need and more expensive per gram as well.
Dave
 
It may be worth a shot to call your vet, if you have one, and see if he could sell you a smaller quantity. We have two cats, so we have a regular vet for them and deal with them from time to time.
 
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