For those who think teachers are "over paid"......

[Lady G]

So from what you are saying if I "created" a job and wanted to pay my employee's 5.00/hr I should be able to do that. , as for the "tax dollars" I would much rather my money go to someone who helps our kids then the 275,000/yr for the governor to live in his mansion.

You are correct, although i'm a bit curious about why you put the word "created" in quotations. Where do you think jobs come from? If they aren't created by people then please explain where they come from.
An employer has a right to offer whatever wage they want to pay for a job they create, and potential employees have a right to refuse if they feel it isn't enough. Free choice. Interjecting govt inevitably brings force into the equation. Force has no place in civilized discourse amongst civilized people. Unless of course the govt is using force to beat up on someone we don't like, then it's great!

LOL, of course they come from ppl but I most likely will not be the one creating them...would be nice though
Freedom to turn down a job because of pay is there, and Employers do decide what they are willing to pay someone. If I go into a interview and say I want 15.00 an hour the employer has a right to say no. If I go in and they say they want to pay me 10.00 instead I have the right to leave and not take the job.

As a student, I think the teachers should get paid more. They have to deal with us kidz, they deserve every penny they get, and then some! Lets see those "overtaxed" parents handle 30+ kidz with short attention spans, teach them, and manage to make it fun at the same time. Hears for the awesome teachers who make the world go round !

+1 FF!!

 

[fshfanatic]

What I do not understand is this. People know that teachers pull small salaries. They have known this for yrs. It would make sense to me that if you wanted a job that comes with a large paycheck you would not be a teacher..

Why become a teacher and then ***** you dont make enough? Its kinda like moving to Alaska and complaining its cold.

 

[Lady G]

Well said Fire!
I try to be there and help my children in anything they may need help with. I do sit with them and go over things as much I can. There have been plenty of times I just couldn't do it and I felt TERRIBLE, now those times I did contact the teacher and let them know my child did try to do this and I just didn't know how to help them so the teacher could help them more on whatever it was. Luckily in the schools my kids have gone to the class rooms are not over sized and the teachers do have the advantage to take a more 1 on 1 approach with the students and they do have "teacher aids" that come and help. They will take students in groups and each help with which ever area the child needs help. They may have a teacher take say 5 students who are having trouble in math, then another take 5 who are having trouble with reading, if there are students that have English as their second language there are teachers that help those students also.

 

[Lady G]

What I do not understand is this. People know that teachers pull small salaries. They have known this for yrs. It would make sense to me that if you wanted a job that comes with a large paycheck you would not be a teacher..

Why become a teacher and then ***** you dont make enough? Its kinda like moving to Alaska and complaining its cold.

I actually haven't heard teachers "complain" about their salaries, and many have taken pay cuts, benefit and medical cost increases, use money out of their own pockets for supplies and much more.

 

[fshfanatic]

oh you are right, it isnt a teacher complaining they are under paid, it is someone using sarcasm saying that teachers are OVER PAID.. I am going to go out on a limb here and say your friend is a teacher....

I find it hard to believe that anyone thinks teachers are over paid.. Just incase I am misunderstood, I believe teachers are underpaid.

 

[stephcps]

My sister in law teaches 3rd grade in a rural part of Alabama. She spends hundreds of dollars out of her own pocket for paper, pencils, KLEENEX.

Thank GOODNESS, some awesome teachers hear the calling...and that is more important to them than a big paycheck or being able to get a mortgage. I just wonder how many talented people our kids miss out on because they need to make an actual living!

 

[Inka4040]

As a student, I think the teachers should get paid more. They have to deal with us kidz, they deserve every penny they get, and then some! Lets see those "overtaxed" parents handle 30+ kidz with short attention spans, teach them, and manage to make it fun at the same time. Hears for the awesome teachers who make the world go round !

I think your teachers are the ones who make people think they deserve less money. God, if you want to argue that teachers deserve higher pay, the least you could do is punctuate and spell correctly.

 

[Lady G]

oh you are right, it isnt a teacher complaining they are under paid, it is someone using sarcasm saying that teachers are OVER PAID.. I am going to go out on a limb here and say your friend is a teacher....

I find it hard to believe that anyone thinks teachers are over paid.. Just incase I am misunderstood, I believe teachers are underpaid.

Actually, no the one who posted that is not a teacher but she does support the teachers here. It has been a popular saying lately "teachers are just over paid babysitters" and is complete BS. Her post was to those saying that, and I thought it was a good break down on things. A different friend of mine is a teacher and figured out what she actually makes per child it was a whooping .35 cents per child!

 

[SubRosa]

I think your teachers are the ones who make people think they deserve less money. God, if you want to argue that teachers deserve higher pay, the least you could do is punctuate and spell correctly.

I couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[Mgamer20o0]

this is a hard one and i been trying to stay out of it but some things are a little crazy in here....

What if we give teachers raises but, say, cut some of the admins and other staff? My elementary school had 1 principal and 4 vices. This was not a large school. Keep the secretaries, janitors, lunchladies, but do we need so much 'higher up' dead weight?

1st this is like the best thing said in all this yet no one came back to this. i have worked in the schools i have seen a lot of crazy stuff. i know there is so much waste as well. like others said there is no one paragraph fix.

i am sorry lady g but your logic is just off. generally speaking you get paid for a job xx amount not a sliding scale on how many people/kids you are managing. heck a lot of the costs doesnt even have to do with salary such as the admins the buildings supplies books comps and so forth. there also a lot of money going towards paying the benfits of employees who are retired as well.

i went and looked for some numbers. this is just off google so like always you have to take it with a grain of salt.

Wisconsin, teaching salaries averaged $52,644 in 2009-10, according to the National Education Association
Wisconsin
$48,743.33
now that doesnt say if they include benefits in that or what.

Total current expenditures per student: $11,418 (10 a hour per student)


State: Wisconsin Median Salary by Job
Retail Store Manager $37,711 General / Operations Manager $55,617 Registered Nurse (RN) $50,316 Project Manager, Construction $59,357 Project Manager, Information Technology (IT) $70,194 Mechanical Engineer $58,190 Human Resources (HR) Manager $53,941
i found a page with a few other salary jobs. ill assume some of them have to work weekends and work more then 180 days a year or what ever it is.

all this can just be spin proving what ever point you want. they are not getting rich becoming a teacher but they get benefits thats extremely rare such as all the time off.... retire on most of your salary while still getting all the health benifits as well. (those thigns do add up while you cant bank on them now you do get them later on) all of this is well known before going in. we learn this as a kids watching them lol

yes good teachers should be paid more though bad teachers should be paid less or better yet fired. yet this is where the problem is. the system needs to change.