For those who think teachers are "over paid"......

Lady G said:
SubRosa said:
LOL, of course they come from ppl but I most likely will not be the one creating them...would be nice though ;)
Freedom to turn down a job because of pay is there, and Employers do decide what they are willing to pay someone. If I go into a interview and say I want 15.00 an hour the employer has a right to say no. If I go in and they say they want to pay me 10.00 instead I have the right to leave and not take the job.
You have the freedom to turn down the job, but the employer is forced to offer you at least the minimum wage dictated by the govt. What if the employer needs a job done but calculates that it's only worth hiring someone if he can pay $6 an hour which is under the minimum wage. Shouldn't someone have the same freedom to accept the $6 that you have to turn down $10?
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LMAO!
 
Inka4040 said:
I think your teachers are the ones who make people think they deserve less money. God, if you want to argue that teachers deserve higher pay, the least you could do is punctuate and spell correctly.
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Mgamer20o0 said:
this is a hard one and i been trying to stay out of it but some things are a little crazy in here....


1st this is like the best thing said in all this yet no one came back to this. i have worked in the schools i have seen a lot of crazy stuff. i know there is so much waste as well. like others said there is no one paragraph fix.

i am sorry lady g but your logic is just off. generally speaking you get paid for a job xx amount not a sliding scale on how many people/kids you are managing. heck a lot of the costs doesnt even have to do with salary such as the admins the buildings supplies books comps and so forth. there also a lot of money going towards paying the benfits of employees who are retired as well.

i went and looked for some numbers. this is just off google so like always you have to take it with a grain of salt.

Wisconsin, teaching salaries averaged $52,644 in 2009-10, according to the National Education Association
Wisconsin
$48,743.33
now that doesnt say if they include benefits in that or what.

Total current expenditures per student: $11,418 (10 a hour per student)


State: Wisconsin Median Salary by Job
Retail Store Manager $37,711 General / Operations Manager $55,617 Registered Nurse (RN) $50,316 Project Manager, Construction $59,357 Project Manager, Information Technology (IT) $70,194 Mechanical Engineer $58,190 Human Resources (HR) Manager $53,941
i found a page with a few other salary jobs. ill assume some of them have to work weekends and work more then 180 days a year or what ever it is.

all this can just be spin proving what ever point you want. they are not getting rich becoming a teacher but they get benefits thats extremely rare such as all the time off.... retire on most of your salary while still getting all the health benifits as well. (those thigns do add up while you cant bank on them now you do get them later on) all of this is well known before going in. we learn this as a kids watching them lol

yes good teachers should be paid more though bad teachers should be paid less or better yet fired. yet this is where the problem is. the system needs to change.
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just too funny...
 
MisaHasTheEyes said:
What if we give teachers raises but, say, cut some of the admins and other staff? My elementary school had 1 principal and 4 vices. This was not a large school. Keep the secretaries, janitors, lunchladies, but do we need so much 'higher up' dead weight?
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jpappy789 said:
Yes, there is less "structure" in college but I would think that a 18-20 whatever year old has a lot more incentive and self motivation than someone even in their earlier teens. Especially when you are then paying for your schooling. I certainly am not going to let thousands of dollars in tuition go down the drain.



If all primary and secondary education became privatized you are essentially setting up a system where the "haves" and the "have nots" are separated by education from the get-go. At the very least public education creates an environment where students have a more level playing field and those that deserve to do well and receive a good education are able to do so. I'm not saying that it always works out that way but at least there is that opportunity in the public system.
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not really. in az they have opened up charter schools. private schools which doesnt cost the parents money but they get funding from state or use of vouchers. a few of my younger cousins went though a charter school when they got to high school where it was no longer charter they were at a higher level then the others. its possible to do it in a way where its not the haves and the have nots.
 
Mgamer20o0 said:
i am sorry lady g but your logic is just off. generally speaking you get paid for a job xx amount not a sliding scale on how many people/kids you are managing. heck a lot of the costs doesnt even have to do with salary such as the admins the buildings supplies books comps and so forth. there also a lot of money going towards paying the benfits of employees who are retired as well.
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Gamer, I know they don't actually get paid on a sliding scale...I'm not saying that just the fact is they are NOT over priced babysitters :D.
 
No, I do not think they should be able to pay someone 6.00/hr. No matter what the job is a person deserves more then 6.00/hr period.
 
Mgamer20o0 said:
than under priced baby sitters?

[video=youtube;Qh2sWSVRrmo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo[/video]
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LMAO....well, yes I spose they are!

weird, do you have a youtube link in your post? in the reply box I see one....but in the post I don't....are you playing tricks w/ my head?
 
HAHAHAHAHA, NOW IT'S THERE!!!!
 
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