Furunculosis

Your word comprehension is sorely lacking. It is not a banned substance. It is still prescribed in the US for topical usage in humans and for veterinary use, which is exactly what I offered it for. And while I'm not certified I and many others including the veterinarian who will fill any scrip I ask for when I explain what I want it for would humbly suggest that I am very qualified in the area of veterinary pharmacology. It's an area of special interest for me.

I guess you may be lacking the seriousness of distibuting such banned substances even with good intention.
of course, it is banned (or should I say controlled) substance on human. I was hoping you would comprehend such without detail.

I posted it for your sake, not mine. that is all!!!
 
Your word comprehension is sorely lacking. It is not a banned substance. It is still prescribed in the US for topical usage in humans and for veterinary use, which is exactly what I offered it for. And while I'm not certified I and many others including the veterinarian who will fill any scrip I ask for when I explain what I want it for would humbly suggest that I am very qualified in the area of veterinary pharmacology. It's an area of special interest for me.


:iagree: As someone who has worked in both vets offices and animal shelters, as well as being a nurse, I can say with some degree of certainty that this is NOT a banned substance. All the vets I ever worked for had access to it, and I believe (although I can't say for absolute certain) that SubRosa is right in that it is used for humans as a topical med.
 
:iagree: As someone who has worked in both vets offices and animal shelters, as well as being a nurse, I can say with some degree of certainty that this is NOT a banned substance. All the vets I ever worked for had access to it, and I believe (although I can't say for absolute certain) that SubRosa is right in that it is used for humans as a topical med.


Since you say you are a nurse, do you know why it is not avail to hobbyists/publlic (such an effective and cheap med to treat various diseases with high success yield) when others antibiotics are avail to hobbyists w/o prescriptions?

I guess what I should have said was that this is not for an untrained personnel in required/necessary concentration to treat fish diseases regardless of one's intention which I consider banned for most. And should not be taken lightly!!!

Although avail thru trained/certified personnel for a specific topical application but pretty banned in US for its safety and resistance developed by microbes. Please let's not continue wether it is banned or not.

If memory serves, there are many other sulfa meds avail to treat/control Furunculosis but banned/controlled from being made avail to untrained persons.

IMHO, one should take caution when using fish med regardless of its availability. And since the subject came up, one should also learn how to properly deactivate medicated water before dumping it out.. Just a thought!!!
 
Since you say you are a nurse, do you know why it is not avail to hobbyists/publlic (such an effective and cheap med to treat various diseases with high success yield) when others antibiotics are avail to hobbyists w/o prescriptions?

I guess what I should have said was that this is not for an untrained personnel in required/necessary concentration to treat fish diseases regardless of one's intention which I consider banned for most. And should not be taken lightly!!!

Although avail thru trained/certified personnel for a specific topical application but pretty banned in US for its safety and resistance developed by microbes. Please let's not continue wether it is banned or not.

If memory serves, there are many other sulfa meds avail to treat/control Furunculosis but banned/controlled from being made avail to untrained persons.

IMHO, one should take caution when using fish med regardless of its availability. And since the subject came up, one should also learn how to properly deactivate medicated water before dumping it out.. Just a thought!!!

Well since you SAY you are a person, I will offer you a little more respect than you offered me. Is it really neccessary to be so condescending? I wasn't trying to argue with you or make a big deal out of this. You said it was a banned med, and I stated what I know...which is that it isn't...thats it. Sorry if it offends you that you were wrong, but I cannot help that. This thread is supposed to be about helping Juice save her fish the best way we can or know how, so we are all offering our opinions and what we personally know. Please chill out with the "all knowing" attitude. Thanks. - Ash

 
Chloramphenicol, also known as Chloromycetin, is no longer given parenterally or orally in humans except in extreme cases, due to the incidence of aplastic anemia, but it is sometimes used topically and in eye drops for dogs and cats. It is not banned, though its use may be restricted.

It is widely used in other parts of the world in aquaria, though it's not an over-the-counter medication here. Certainly, as you have reminded us, we should all responsibly handle the disposal of water that contains antibiotics, especially those that have the potential for harm. There are other chemicals we use in aquaria that can be carcinogenic and we have to exercise care there as well.

I don't think Juice or the others who have posted here need a lesson in that, though newbies certainly may need reminders of this and so that has now been covered.

My vet was happy to prescribe Chloramphenicol for my ADF, though I couldn't justify spending $75 on it. It's not that expensive when they have the eye drops at the vet, but in my case this was going to have to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy.

At any rate, Furan 2 is a good choice and with SubRosa's experience with mixing it with food successfully then this is definitely what I would do.

I have the hardest time following your line of thought some times, Cerianthus, not to be unkind, but sometimes it seems that English may be a second language?

I don't think that Juice will be able to get any researchers or biologists at API, or Jungle Labs, or any of the drug manufacturers, as you suggest, to venture more than an educated guess, just as we have, about what's going on in her tank.

It would be nice if we could all afford to run to a veterinarian for a tank full of sick $3.99 fish, but we can't. Neither will we be able to get a fish biologist/researcher at a pharmaceutical company to consult with us and give us anything more than basic advice; they don't have enough with our descriptions to be able to make a definitive diagnosis either.

Your suggestion that she document the course of events and share them with us in the end is all well and good and I think she should, and I think that we all should keep records and learn from our experiences and share them with others, and I think that's why she is on this forum asking for help.

We ask others here who've experienced similar symptoms in their fish and who have been able to treat them successfully, or not, and learn from their experience and maybe help our fish, or not.

Without a microscope and the ability to prepare slides and identify specific bacteria we can't know specifically which bacteria may be causing this illness in her tank. The most logical thing would be to try to treat with as broad a spectrum an antibiotic as possible, provide pristine water quality, and hope for the best.

No one, neither I nor SubRosa have offered a positive diagnosis of true Furunculosis, as caused by Aeromonas salmonicida, more likely this a bacterial infection caused by Aeromonas h. that we know is very common in aquaria. It could be Strep, it could be viral, but it does appear to be an internal infection that is systemic.

Juice is a good fishkeeper and there seems to be no obvious stressor that we can pin this on, but for whatever reason - infections do happen.

I hope you are able to help your fish, Juice, and I hope we can help in some way with that... even if only as moral support, ultimately.
 
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Well since you SAY you are a person, I will offer you a little more respect than you offered me. Is it really neccessary to be so condescending? I wasn't trying to argue with you or make a big deal out of this. You said it was a banned med, and I stated what I know...which is that it isn't...thats it. Sorry if it offends you that you were wrong, but I cannot help that. This thread is supposed to be about helping Juice save her fish the best way we can or know how, so we are all offering our opinions and what we personally know. Please chill out with the "all knowing" attitude. Thanks. - Ash

"Know all attitude"You said it, not I.

300-400 tanks. yah, I think I went thru lot more than most of members, I think! Some problems intentionally caused to perform experiments.
Regarldless, I always listen first on any subject which I am NOT familiar with. Thanx to internet nowdays, anyone can just read and copy what's avail on the net w/o actually experiencing such complications..


Ash,
I would not dare to make suggestions when somenone desperately need an assistance with their treasures by just reading/copying off what are avail on internet/books unless I've experienced simialr cases and I have experienced a lot in over 40 yrs..

We old timers used to share info thru clubs/assoc before internet was avail.. We used to carry books when visitng lfs. Actually, lfs was a meeting places which usually turned out to be something like seminar among veterans in the hobby. I learned quite a bit by just listening. I listened to my mentors, not that they were well educated, but by incorporating what they have learned via experiences into facts I learned from school, I was able to make much faster progress which in return, produced much less losses/complications.

I would not question or argue others with experiences on the issues which i dont have complete understanding and/or have not experienced such until I have done my research or study and actual on hand experiences.

It does not matter if someone listens to what I have to say, but even if it could make a one difference, I accomplished my mission on the forum and will keep on posting my suggestions. I am not on the forum to gain recognition but to assist to my best ability. And I hope I learn something new or two as well.
Just a thought!!!!!

btw, no one knows all! thats given. It's just some may know more than others..
 
I believe that Cerianthus' issue is one of drunk posting. At times his/her posts are lucid and intelligent and at times we get this irrational combativeness. The early stages of Alzheimer's can also cause these mood swings as well. He/she should probably get checked out.
 
I believe that Cerianthus' issue is one of drunk posting. At times his/her posts are lucid and intelligent and at times we get this irrational combativeness. The early stages of Alzheimer's can also cause these mood swings as well. He/she should probably get checked out.


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If it is Alzheimer's I'm sorry for being rude and laughing, Cerianthus. If not Alzheimer's, then I'd cut back on the happy juice a bit.
 
Firstly, I'd like to thank all of you for giving your concern and offering advice to me, I really couldn't be part of a better, more helpful fish community.:)

As much as I'd like to use the med most suggested, I called the vet and they want $85 for a very small dose, that's really something I just am not able to do right now, unfortunately. I do care about my fish very much, but I just don't have the means to shell out that much money at this point in time.

I bought some carbon last night, and I had it running over night, I will be doing a large WC this afternoon and starting furan 2. I am thinking, instead of treating the entire tank, of doing as subrosa & mel suggested and dipping some food in the meds to see if they will take to that. I am thinking about doing the freeze dried blood worms so they soak up the medicine better then wet blood worms would. If they don't take to that I will just dose the tank.


So far so good, my fish are still alive and the one that was having the most difficulties seems to be eating more and a little more active. He is still gaunt but I suppose that is to be expected from a fish that has been through so much...but his sore does seem to be healing!

I didn't mean to turn this into a controversy, and I apologize if anything I may have said or disregarded turned this into a debate. Please believe that I have taken all of your advice very seriously and am grateful to have people around that care enough to take time out of their lives to offer suggestions and help.

I'll be updating this thread periodically with the outcome or new developments or questions I may have. I wish now, that I could change the title of this thread seeing as though I jumped to the wrong conclusion about Furunculosis.

Thank you all again, and I really do hope that my little feesh pull through!
 
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