Given old,dirty tank & supplies, HELP

OKCKitty said:
I read most of the cycle info. Kind of like countrygirl, what's done is done, now can someone help me.

My tank is 35 gal. I let it run for a week with just tap water. I have an Emperor 280 with a (new) bio-wheel, with a Black Diamond Carbon filter. After a week, I put 5 serpae tetras in there. I bought an "Aquarium Pharmaceuticals, Master Test Kit.

Now is when I have to admit, I do not understand the whole pH, amonia, Nitrite & Nitrate thing. I'm sure the chemistry of it is important, but does anyone out there have a way of explaining it to me that my 12 & 13 yr. old daughters (and I) will understand.

OKC

Well, in simple terms you may have to do daily water changes (3 times per week absolute minimum) for a while until all the good bacteria in the tank build up their numbers. Once you have plenty of good bacteria, which takes a few weeks, you can then just change the water once a week. If you keep up the regular water changes and change 25% of the water as needed (daily now, weekly later) you should be able to get through the teething troubles just fine.

As you will have read in the cycle posts, the 'bad' chemicals that build up in the tank which hurt the fish are ammonia, nitrite and nitate. The last of these, nitrate, is the best of the three and so we want the bacteria to turn all the ammonia and nitrite into nitrate and then we get rid of the nitrate with the weekly water change and keep the level down.

Ammonia builds up quickly in a new tank, but I find the good bacteria that eat it also build up reasonably quickly and should be in high enough numbers in a couple of weeks to eat it all and turn it into nitrite.

The bacteria that eat nitrite and turn it into 'better' nitrate seem to take longer to grow and it may take another 3 or 4 weeks to grow to sufficient numbers. But you can keep the nitrite levels safe for the fish as long as you don't have too many fish in the tank and you do the daily water changes while the bacteria build up. The bacteria live in the gravel and filter and any other surface, so changing the water won't really have any effect on them. Some sort of porus sponge media in the filter is a nice place for them to live. On your filter the biowheel is set up as a place for the bacteria to live as they like lots of oxygen.

Since you have a test kit, the main things to test for are ammonia and nitrite. If the tank has been up a couple of weeks then the ammonia is probably already very low. The nitrite is probably getting high. You just keep testing and when the nitrite gets low you can be confident the bacteria are getting in good numbers and you can ease off the water changes to weekly.

You can test the nitrate as well. but it should only go up when the nitrite goes down - although important you should check the water in the tap as it can be high in nitrate sometimes.

Honestly I wouldn't even worry too much about the ph just now unless your water is really soft. Test for the kH hardness if you can. If the water is hard or moderately hard then you should be fine. If the water is really soft then you may have to add something to the tank to make the water harder (you can easily buy this). If the water is too soft the pH (how acid the water is) can change up and down too easily and this is bad for the fish. Harder water can be more stable in pH, although obviously this all gets complicated...

All the advice you get will be an opinion based on whatever previous experiences the person has had, so there is a lot of variety. I am fairly new back into fish after a long absence, but at least have recently had to deal with these sorts of problems :)
 
Did the tests!!

Amonia 0.25ppm
Nitrite 0ppm
Nitrate 0ppm
pH 7.6
Tap water 7.1

What is and how do I test for kH?

Kasakato, are you refering to the pH up & down, as chemicals that you don't recommend?
 
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OKCKitty said:
Amonia 0.25ppm
Nitrite 0ppm
Nitrate 0ppm
pH 7.6
Tap water 7.1

What is and how do I test for kH?

Okay, looks like the tank might still be very early in the cycle. You will need those 25% water changes every day or two for the next few weeks to keep the levels of toxins safe enough for the fish. Test now and then and soon the ammonia should drop to 0 and the nitrite should raise. A couple of weeks after that the nitrite should fall and the nitrAte will rise a bit. nitrAte might be hard to test for if there is nitrite in the tank... At the moment you want to keep the ammonia under 1.0ppm or so with your pH (maybe some other opinions on that from more knowlegable members).

kH is a carbonate hardness, sometimes called alkalinity. High kH is hard water and this is usually good for stable pH, but the ph will usually be high. It's a separate test but comes with some kits. If you don't have it don't worry too much. Since your pH is 7.6 you probably have a reasonable kH value at a guess.

Hope you have an easy way figured out for the water changes so it's not a big hardship to do every day... It will be a pain for a little while, but it should keep the fish alive and it will be all okay in a few weeks!
 
i agree...the fewer the chemicals added, the better--a fish will generally be happier in stable, yet imperfect pH as opposed to a pH that shoots past the ideal range every day or so--if it's staying steady, let it be
 
Just buy some bio-spira, that way your fish arent harmed.
 
I'm Back!!

Hi All. Been a while.
My #'s have changed. Still a little confused on what is good and what is bad and what is just part of the cycle.

Amonia 0.50 ppm
Nitrite 0.5 ppm
Nitrate 5.0 ppm
pH 7.2

How are these numbers?

Still have the 5 tetras and 2 guppies. All doing well. (I hope) Just did a water change this AM.

Thanks OKC

PS - Looked for Bio-Spira locally, can't find it. and over the net, I can't afford. :(
 
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I wouldn't worry too much about the Bio-spira at this point. Your cycle has started already, as evident by the nitrItes & nitrAtes. Just keep doing daily water changes(or if the ammonia/nitrite gets above 1ppm) until the ammonia & nitrItes drop to zero. If you are dilligent enough, your fish should be just fine!

A PH of 7.2 is good. It seems stable thus far, and as said before, try to avoid playing with the PH by adding chemicals. I have had way far better luck keeping my fish alive by NOT playing with the PH that trying to adjust it closer to 7. My tap water has a PH of 7.8-8.0, and my fish are just fine.
 
Help, fish won't eat!!

Hi All,
Haven't posted in a while. Things were good until yesterday. My 4 serpae tetras and 2 guppies stopped eating. Anyone know what would cause this?
My levels are good, I think...

35 gal freshwater

ph 0
Ammonia 0ppm
Nitrite 0 ppm
Nitrate 10 ppm

Getting worried! Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks, OKC Kitty :confused:
 
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